Thermal Quality Windows & Doors?

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Thermal Quality Windows & Doors?

#1 Post by DustBunny » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:29 am

Hello. I am in the process of choosing a brand of windows and an installer. I have had a quote from a roofer who does windows (highly recommended), however he suggests Viwinco windows which do not get good reviews. He also has said he can install any brand of window I choose.

I also have a quote from Thermal Quality Windows and Doors located in Broomall, PA. They also get very good recommendations from neighbors, Angies List, Yelp, etc. They install a Ideal windows, but made to their specs. The salesman brought a sample and it looks like a nice window. I like that the sash is a bit narrower, allowing more light.

I am concerned about Ideal Majestic Double Hung windows. The model is ESM described as a dual pane, double strength 7/8 inch IG, utilizing two layers of Low E coatings on two panes, Argon filled air spaces, Foam Filled Frame and Sashes and Ultra Interceptor Spacer with a .23 U-Factor.

Can anyone comment on Thermal Quality Windows and Doors and their Ideal windows? I have 13 double hung windows and one casement. I already have windows by Simonton (have had problems), Viwinco and Certainteed, installed during previous renovations. I live in suburban Philadelphia.

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#2 Post by masterext » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:41 pm

The Ideal Majestic is a good window and definitely the best out of the bunch by far. Simonton is an outdated design and very bulky. Viwinco is junk.
However, you are Considering a roofer to install windows ?????? I strongly recommend against that. Further evidence of a roofer not being suitable for a window install is the fact that he is recommending Viwinco which isnt highly regarded.
Do yourself a favor, contact a window pro, not a roofer. I would never recommend a window pro doing a roof. It makes absolutely no sense despite the fact that he is doing it cheaply. A roofer will usually use a cheap/ low quality window like viwinco, MI Windows, or even alside,
i am not a big fan of the standard wimdows by Ideal but their exclusive majestic series is a good window.
Its an exclusive and much better than what they sell to regular contractors. Nice looking window as well.
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#3 Post by DustBunny » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:18 pm

Thanks for the response. I am most likely going to hire Thermal Quality to install their windows, although the roofer is highly recommended in the community. I appreciate your endorsement of the Ideal Majestic window. I could not find any reviews for the particular ones carried by Thermal Quality. Guess I will give them a call tomorrow!

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Re: Thermal Quality Windows & Doors?

#4 Post by Delaware Mike » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:22 pm

TQ has been around forever, they were once a nice account for Accu-Weld back in the day. You might want to check the CR rating on that Ideal window as it sounds like it has a surface 4 low-e coating which might not be desirable if your house runs on the higher indoor humidity side. Also, some of the Ideal double-hung units that I've seen feature bottom exterior weeps for the irrigation sills. Not a fan of these and typically we see them married with only 2-point weatherstripping and not so great air leakage number.

I've pulled and replaced 20-year old vinyl windows installed by Thermal Quality before and TQ did a nice job capping and caulking them with free hand brickmold bending.

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#5 Post by masterext » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:30 pm

I am fairly certain the majestic is a welded sill with no weeps unless i didnt notice.
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Re: Thermal Quality Windows & Doors?

#6 Post by DustBunny » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:28 pm

Again, thank you. Glad to know Tq is a good company. My house is dry as a desert in the winter due to forced air heat. There is central air in the humid summer months. How do i find out the CR rating on the ideal window?

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#7 Post by TheWindowNerd » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:56 pm

Ask the sales person or look in the product literature.
The window I most often use is .01 AI, very air tight, no drafts
With a .26 U

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#8 Post by HomeSealed » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:53 pm

DustBunny wrote:Again, thank you. Glad to know Tq is a good company. My house is dry as a desert in the winter due to forced air heat. There is central air in the humid summer months. How do i find out the CR rating on the ideal window?
Dry is a very relative term depending on the exterior temps. We have 95% forced air here in WI as well, but condensation is a rampant issue in the dead of winter. I would give serious consideration to Mike's comments above about the surface 4 low-e coating being undesirable in colder climates. In most cases it is a "trick" used to get a window to qualify for Northern Region Energy Star of .27 u value on a product that is not good enough to meet that without it. There are several products that do meet that with a standard surface 2 or 3 low e coating, I'd direct your attention to those if possible.

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Re: Thermal Quality Windows & Doors?

#9 Post by DustBunny » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:24 pm

Thanks yet again. The rep from Tq is coming out next week and i will ask about condensation. By the way, what does CR stand for?

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#10 Post by masterext » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:07 pm

CR is condensation resistance. Ideally you want that number above 56. A good rule of thumb is to request standard lowE / argon without a surface 4 coating. The salesman should know what you mean.

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#11 Post by TheWindowNerd » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:45 am

The CR on the window I prefer to use is 62.

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