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 Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman 8500

Author: wwgolferdog (---.696162227.amaonline.com)
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Windowmann or Fen

Do you know anything about the Simonton Pro Finish Contractor series vinyl. It has the Intercept seal. (This is a single hung replacement window).

I am comparing them to the Bryn Mawr II and the Home Depot American Craftsman 8500. Any advice would be welcome.

Thanks in Advance


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman 8500

Author: jim (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
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8500 IS MADE BY SILVERLINE WINDOWS MID-RANGE WINDOW SO IS THE SIMONTON, 25% MORE LOOK FOR A SUNRISE WINDOWS DEALER WWW.SUNRISEWINDOWS.COM


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
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Sunrise windows have some serious flaws in the counterbalance shoes. I recently put them into a billionairre's offices, and when the cleaning crew went to clean them, the shoes that are attached to the string balances didn't lock the sash into place when tilted like they are supposed to, and sashes went flying to the floor. Broken parts and pieces were all over the floors in both offices. What a mess, and the worst part is the customer who has 80 more windows to do thinks I sold him crap windows, and doesn't want any more now. This happened on a previous order as well, but no damage that time.
These windows in a large window size are dangerous in my opinion, and I would not recommend them to anyone.




 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: jim (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
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there are wedges avaible from sunrise to snap in each shoe so the sashes can't be removed. the sash comes out when it's held at a 90 degree angle to the window for quick service and egress. our installers and sales staff show the customer how to work the window


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
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Wedges would not help this. The window shoes plain and simple do not lock into place because they are not strong enough in a larger window to do so because of the counterbalance tension pulling the sash up. That is what caused the problem, not the fact that they had them tilted in 90 degrees. These things literally flew out of their hands and onto the floor. No amount of showing the customer how to tilt them in can prepare them for this happening.


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: doNOTbuycertainteed (---.oc.oc.cox.net)
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In my personal experiance I used to like certainteed untail they started to fail like dominos


I have certainteed windows I had 14 installed so within 2 years, 5 have failed ( the labor warranty is only 5 years after that I must pay to have the CRAP lifetime warranty fixed)
DO NOT DO WHAT I DID AND PICK CERTAINTEED the only thing CERTAIN is getting hosed!!!! I live in so cal
you might check out ANLIN they have 10 year labor

the internal seal between the glass is leaking, causing fogging, or mildew type growth inside.
Certainteed comes out to replace the glass on the windows ( takes the about 2 months to finaly get out here after problem is reported. ) The windows only have 5 year warranty on labor, so if windows continue to go bad like this the install cost on "lifetime warranty " will eventually exceed new windows for the new windows.
I am also looking for others who have had simular problems with certainteed windows , as I wish to go class action on certainteed, because I feel this is a manufacturing defect from the begining that shouyld not have a limit.


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: george (---.proxy.aol.com)
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i dont understand. you use to like certainteed,but now you don't? curious, what other experience did you have with them? did you buy them before the one's you recently installed and they were great? i would like to know the whole situation.


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
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I had a similar situation on an order I had for Certainteed windows on a Comfort Inn we did. The glass packs failed one after another, and we have had to replace a good portion of them, which Certainteed has backed 100%. It started soon after installation 4 years ago, and we were replacing them often for the first 2 years, but nothing has gone bad since. Their Surestart program pays us to replace them, plus gas money and travel time. Nobody is perfect, but at least this company has a 5 year warranty on the labor to fix them, instead of that cost being on the dealer or customer. Most companies don't offer this type of program.
Something obviously happened with the process of sealing the window IG's, whether it was something on the glass when the spacer was applied, or something like bad sealant or not enough heat when going through the ovens. I'm really sorry it has happened to you.
Your dealer may be able to secure an extension of the labor warranty if a strong enough case can be made to his rep that an inherent flaw is in all your windows. It's worth a try anyway.


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: doNOTbuycertainteed (---.oc.oc.cox.net)
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I purchased the windows not planning/expecting them to all go bad.
After this many going bad I expect them all. By the way since I started posting to this website 1 week ago, ANOTHER window failed not up to 6.
When each window is replaced you think there are no additional scratches to vinal frame? scratches where the wood type chisle is used to remove the plastic strips that hold window in place
also the more the screen is messed with the greater chance of damage to it. BTW they do not cover screen damage due to WEAR even is they wore it down.
at the end of 5 years from date of purchase I expect to be installing the replacements windows myself ( for THE REST OF THE WINDOWS). I did not expect many windows to go bad. Had I known this before hand I would have picked a brand with a better rep.


 

 Re: Simonton ProFinish Contractor vs. Certainteed Bryn M vs. American Craftsman

Author: doNOTbuycertainteed (---.oc.oc.cox.net)
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I have contacted the local Certainteed office ( which is also the manufacturing plant who originly made the windows)
They told me that when there are wide changes in weather, the windows will fail sooner. If so then the windows are worse than I had feared. I live in Orange County California. Very cold would be 45 degrees Very hot would be 105 for my area. To my understanding this area has very mild weather compared to lots of other places. If they fail in these conditions what about other areas?


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