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 Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Will.... (---.wilog301.pa.comcast.net)
Date:   

Iíve recently decided to replace all the windows of my home. Unfortunately, I have a total of 26 windows to be replaced. Iím basically looking for the best quality for my limited budget. I have a $5000 budget and a diehard D.I.Y. attitude. Iíve narrowed it down to the 8500 series form Home Depot with LoE/Argon, full grids, etc. etc.. and have recently considered Window Wizardsí Master Weld series window. The Master Weld window sold by Window Wizards has all the bells and whistles that the Home Depot brand has and a little extra, like Foam insulation in the Exterior frame & Removable Panes. Iím totally stuck on which one to go with. Home Depotís 8500 series (made by Silver Line) has been making window for a lot longer than this Window Wizards maker, or at least I think they have. Should that be a determining factor? Has anyone out there used Window Wizards?? Someone PLEASE help..


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: JOHN (---.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net)
Date:   

are you installing yourself. if not you were way underpriced watch out they both use subs that may not have alot of window exp


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Will.... (---.wilog301.pa.comcast.net)
Date:   

I plan on doing them myself. After weeks of searching for windows, I came across a site called www.wholesalewindowclub.com. They provide an online quote and the total for all 26 windows came out to approx. $4800. Sounds too good to be true, but I called them and they told me that there windows are Silver Line windows and are also sold at Home Depot. I took the estimate to Home Depot and spoke to an American Craftman Sales rep. who was taking an inventory for Home Depot that day. He was a little upset at the estimate I was getting online (Since he couldn't beat it) and after calling his district manager to B$%*# & Moan, he reluctantly told be that the site was one of there competitors and it was true that the windows are the EXACT same made by Silver line. I then took the estimate to Window Wizards and started my Haggling process. There willing to sell me there Master-Weld series with LoE/Argon Full grills (which normally sell for $269. Per window, with no options) for only $500 more than the price I would pay for Silver Lines windows. The problem is, I donít know what to do.. I donít know anyone who's used Window Wizards and could not find a tread.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Maureen Taylor (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I am also trying to get some information on Home Depots windows, Renovations 6500, they came out and gave me a quote, but I am very very apprehensive about going VINYL and cannot find any information anywhere on this brand, reading your e-mails are they the same company? does any one have any experience with Home Depots windows? I would be glad for some feed back. Maureen


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Devin (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I had Home Depot give me a quote to replace the 18 windows in my house and some of the wood work. They quoted me a price and I'm not sure if it's the norm. Someone please let me know what the going rate for 16 Renovations 6500 Vinyl Windows should be with any company.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Donna (---.honeywell.com)
Date:   

I have been looking at windows for 6 months now and have now decided on the Home Depot 6500 windows. (not installed yet as I'm waiting on my associations approval to do the work) Here are my reasons.

1 - I found out they are made by Simonton. (If you look at the Reflections by Simonton 5500 series they are very much alike)

2 - They are energy star rated, Have a good RESFEN rating (U-factor, SHGC) (check out www.efficientwindos.org for info. for your state)

3 - have heat welded seems which lowers the chances of warping.

4 - The lifetime warranty that is transferrable to a new owner if you move. (so do the Simonton windows) I know some people believe that because of the type of business you're dealing with they may not honor the warranty. I guess in all my dealing with Home Depot I have never been unsatisfied.

5 - the price is right for what you are getting.

6 - when I checked out Renewal by Anderson I found they were way over priced for what you got.

One thing I would caution you about is checking out the installer. Check with the Better Business Bureau and the state commerce department to make sure there are no actions being taken. Both have websites that make it easy to look up. That is how I decided against Window Lite as a contender.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: chad (---.wi.rr.com)
Date:   

ok heres your solution. find a local building materials warehouse. see what windows they manufacture. if they say certainteed, jump. they should list out for an average sized vr 101u.i. at about 185 or so with lowe and argon. and that is an excellent window. if the local warehouse says they only deal with contractors then you print up a letterhead for a bogus company and knock off a business card on your computer and take it in and set up a contractors cash only account. works evertime and now you can help your family and friends get great windows too.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Ben (---.ip.mcleodusa.net)
Date:   

I work for a local/regional supplier of windows & siding. Printing up letterhead and/or business card is clever, but may not always work. We try to be very carfeull about selling to the public. If we call your phone number listed and your daughter answers the phone "Hello", then we may have a problem. And some locations may require a copy of your business license or more formal paperwork.

We sell Certainteed windows, and they are excellant. Home Depot windows are not (to the best of my knowledge) Simonton. They are Silverline. Silverline is one of the biggest man. of vinyl windows. Half of their business is Home Depot. Silverline makes a very poor quality window. Very poor. I wouldn't put it in a rental home. Warranty is junk, balance system is junk, vinyl is recycled. We in the industy call it a "blue" window. Set it next to virgin vinyl, and virgin is true white, and Silverline is blue.

Straight from the factory's rep, this is a price window. Thanks it. No quality claims at all. Only price. Find a local delaer that sells a higher quality product, does good work with references, and has lower overhead. Most of this industry has the worked subcontracted. Just find out who, and what their work is like. Email me if you have questions at:
certainteedwindowguy@yahoo.com

Ben


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Home Depot is selling Simonton windows with installation included only. You are right about Silverline... garbage.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: m (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

simonton.com


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Dan (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I'm a Home Depot Install manager


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Congratulations Dan. Maybe you can get them to sell and install their products for what they are worth. Afterall, they buy the windows cheaper than anyone due to volume and offer below industry average wages to the subs that are actually doing the work... and yet charge considerably more than most. Home Depot doesn't carry a high-end quality window product... why do they use their name recognition to charge high-end prices for low-end to midline products when they have the best profit margins already? "Only "YOU" can prevent forrest fires." You might want to share with them... that the internet is here to stay... and consumers will become better educated and more aware with every purchase... I'll certainly do my part to see to it... as will many others.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: simon melser (63.231.68.---)
Date:   

did you ever get your windows off the web...what do you think of them..


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Donna F (---.il-chicago0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date:   

Did you go ahead with your windows?? We are in the midst of looking at the same brand you did. Just looking for your comments. Thanks.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Big D (---.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net)
Date:   

Home Depot at home service quoted me a price of $500 installed with their no questions asked guarantee.

1. Does Home Depot At Home Service sell a quality window?

2. Who makes their window?

3. Is this a good price including capping, etc...?

4. How is good is their guarantee?

I'm thinking of using them. I could get the job done for about $300 a window with a local contractor and buying the windows myself. But i'm not really impressed with the windows i've seen. US Window factory or Thermo Tight.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Joe (---.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

How do you feel about Marvin or Pella windows vs. your product?


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Bill B. (204.252.157.---)
Date:   

I researched vinyl replacement windows for 3 months before I decided which ones to purchase. I got 5 bids of different brands and they were all within one hundred dollars of each other. I thought the Simonton were the best built of the windows I looked at.

I have found that the windows that offer foam filling in the frames are the ones that are too flimsy without it and anyone selling good quality windows will admit it does not do a thing other than bolster the frame.

One of the other windows I looked at was Window Wizards. In my opinion they have come-on ads and don't give you the same prices as the ads.

I purchased 13 Simonton Renovation 6500 windows through Home Depot and they were installed on 8/31/04 by a subcontractor. The windows have double strenght glass, low e soft coat, argon, grids and full screens. The total installed price was $6992.00. I am very satisfied with the product, price and the installation. I would recommend the Renovations 6500 to anyone.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: ULM (65.124.139.---)
Date:   

I am about to purchase 15 Simonton Reflections 5500 double hung windows from a local MN dealer. Like everyone else here, I have been to Menards, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. and am amazed at the number of vinyl replacement windows available. What is equally amazing is the differing opinions one will get from window contractors who will tell you that one window is better than the other....
All in all, I have found that the U-Factor, SHGC rating, and whether or not it is Energy Star rated are the primary factors in comparing window performance. Second to that are the aesthetics of the unit, because if it doesn't look good, who cares what kind it is...And lastly, but probably most importantly is the installation. The best window out there is no better than the cheapest if they are not installed correctly.

BTW I am paying about 230-270 per window for a total of about 4K. I think that I am getting a pretty good deal.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: dennis gilbert (---.clmntn01.nj.comcast.net)
Date:   

Iam looking to replace some windows and have been looking at certinteed brynmar II and simmonton reflections.have you compared the 2. looking for comparison information from anyone thanks


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Bill (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

Dennis:

I think Simonton would be a better company to deal with but as far as comparison the Reflections 50/50 with lowe-argon or the 5300 would be about = to the BM II. The Reflections 5500 is superior to the BM II and I would recommend upgrading the glass in the 5500 to their 1Ē glass with Super Spacer.

Bill


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: dennis gilbert (---.clmntn01.nj.comcast.net)
Date:   

Bill thanks for the info. Dennis




 

 Re: Home Depot Simonton Windows

Author: sfabri (199.67.140.---)
Date:   

Our condo association is about to purchase 83 Simonton Renovations 6500 windows (double-hung w/ full grids) from The Home Depot as replacements to old, rusty, steel casement windows to a historic brick building with absolutely no insulation from cold/heat/wind. What state are you located in? Which windows did you purchase Ė double hung, casement, or sliders? Are you very happy with this product AND the installation of the windows? Iíve heard mixed reviews about the installers (subcontractors) doing a very bad job and then not being available to ďfixĒ the mess theyíve made. Home Depot claims to fix any damage that may incur or exist beneath the existing window frame (steel) at the time of installation, with no additional hidden cost to the owner. They also claim to offer a double lifetime warranty on their product (to 2 owners), with no payments, no interest until 2006 with Home Depot credit card. Hard bargain to turn down. We just want to be sure we are getting the best bang for our buck. Any information you could offer would certainly help us make our decision. Thank you.




 

 Re: Home Depot Simonton Windows

Author: Bill (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

The 6500 is a good window, as with any window the installation is very important. Home Depot has several crews typically some are better than others, so it can boil down to the luck of the draw.

If I were you I would see if there is a Simonton Impressions direct dealer in your area. The 9800 is better window than the 6500 with the same warranty but I donít think you will get your no interest differed payment plan.

Go to www.simonton.com click on homeowner then dealer locator and enter your zip code. This may help you make your decision.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: tom costello (12.35.247.---)
Date:   

RE: Window Wizards.

This is probably too late for you, however maybe not for someone else. WW is probablry the biggest rip offs in the industry. The windows are good(high end anyway), but the probelm is the rip off install. Quite frankly if your robbed by the installer in terms of craftmanship, cutting corners, etc, etc, what goods the window? My windows were put the openings left by the old windows. The only sealant was around the vinyl outside window trim. If that trim is damaged somehow, water will cause serious damage to your walls, and you won't even be aware of it. It just happened to me after 2 years. Stay away from them.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Paul (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I am a subcontractor of vinyl replacement windows I have installed various types of windows Home Depo Windows are good. The key is to buy welded corners on mainframe and welded corners on the sashes with Low E glass and argon gas.Without that you are throwing your money away.But if your looking for Supreme vinyl replacement windows that is metal reinforced.And the best Glass technology in the world.To suit your needs in any wheather this world has to offer.You need to call Stanek windows.


 

 Re: Home Depot Simonton Windows

Author: Paul (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I am a Subcontractor And one of the best in the business And it sounds to me that you have a steel panning system if thats the case have all the steel removed and make contractor put together a wood buckframe in opening before installing windows other wise the steel will still sweat and freeze behind what you cant see and cause trapped moisture and a mildew smell and damage to the plaster walls.That would be the right way to do the job.Other wise I wouldnt spend the money for A job half not done.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Paul (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

From what I have seen from marvin pella and anderson windows There using wood frames and wood sashes with vinly compression tracks for windows to slide up and down or side to side and tilt in for easy cleaning Its a poor design behind the compression tracks is were the water and the lady bugs are you put those windows in new construction homes and eight to ten years later when I tear those windows out I run into major rotten wood all the way back to the rough framing headers jack studs sill plates and a whole lot of carpenter ants.Those windows should be a thing of the past cause all there doing is destoying newer homes beyond what the eye can see.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Bob (---.ec.rr.com)
Date:   

"I think Simonton would be a better company to deal with but as far as comparison the Reflections 50/50 with lowe-argon or the 5300 would be about = to the BM II. The Reflections 5500 is superior to the BM II and I would recommend upgrading the glass in the 5500 to their 1Ē glass with Super Spacer."

Bill, I caught your above response to Dennis on the Vinyl Replacement discussion site. I am shopping for replacement windows to replace the 23 in our home. I've zeroed in on the Simonton 5500. We live in coastal NC and it's the high temps in the long summer that I'm hoping to counter. I wasn't aware one could upgrade to 1" glass. Is that versus 7/8" glass? BTW I got a quote from Sears that seemed awfully high - 16,900. The sales guy said they were the top of the line model guaranteed for life, double strenghth glass, and more, and that Sears quit offering lower cost models.

Thanks in advance for your input (and I would welcome advice from others).

R / Bob Hilton


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Well I read through most of these responses and really get a mixed reaction from everyone. First off Home Depot sells a couple different lines of windows. Depending on your location in the US. Some get the Silverliine product and others get the Simonton product. If you call the 800 number most the time you will see the Simonton Reflections window. The call it Renovations. You can upgrade the unit and get all the bells and whistles for a price! If you go into the store you get the Silverline "American Craftsman" window (Junk). Some stores carry the Silverline stamped model but not many. Simontons upper end window is compatable to the Certainteed BM II. They may not look the same but will perform the same. Sears on the other hand sells one style and that is Simontons Reflection window with some upgrades to make it different. Sears spends big money with Simonton so they get a different product. Sears is way over priced for what you get. Being in the door and window industry in Minnesota since 1974. I have watched many things change over the years in the industry. We take it serious here in subzero temperatures. The biggest factor in any windows performance is the installation. When you hear them bragging they are the best installers around. Send them home!!! You want others to tell you they are the best. Good installers don't brag up their work. They show it by how they do their job!!! This is by far the most important part of your job. The best window on the market can be hacked in and then provide sub-par performance. Then the consumer will only blame the manufacturer not the installer. So Beware!!
Next thing is Andersen, Marvin and Pella have great products. Maybe a bit over priced but good. The gentleman above telling everyone they are bad because of leaking is incorrect. They only leak when not installed right. If installed correctly you will have a great product that will service you for life! Don't blame the manufacturer for others mistakes. As a consumer you need to look at what's best for your number one investment. If you buy a dime store product it usually breaks after the first use. Save your money and spend it wisely. You may spend more than you expected but it pays off in the end.

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Bill (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

Bob:

Sears pricing tends to be high and they and Home Depot only have 7/8 glass from Simonton.

The 5500 starts with ĺ glass w/ low-e/argon and Intercept spacer (stainless steel) you can upgrade to a glass package called Prosolar that provides 1Ē double pane double strength glass, Super Spacer, two surfaces of low-e and krypton gas. This glass package is designed to control solar heat gain and blocks about 60% of total solar energy.

Go to www.simonton.com click on homeowner and enter your zip code in the dealer locator and see if you have an Impressions dealer in your area where you can purchase the 9800 that has a triple pane system called Super Sensor glass that is better yet.

Good luck,
Bill


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Bill (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

I want to add one thing to what Guy said, the windows supplied to Sears & Depot or basically 5500ís with a 7/8 duel pane double strength glass w/ low-e sc/argon and Intercept spacer. This glass system is not available in any of the other Simonton lines but on the other hand Depot & Sears do not have 1Ē glass systems or triple pane glass systems with Super Spacer.

The best window of all the Simonton lines is the Impressions 9800 that is only sold to dealers that install and is not sold through distribution.

Bill


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Bill (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

Window Fans:

Simonton will be featured this week on Bob Vilasís Home Again, 72 ProFinish windows (new construction line) install in a new home in Cape Cod


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Chuck (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I live in a cape code in PA which is about 80 years old. We just had vinyl siding put on last year. We had the insulated foam board which was between an inch and 2 thick put on and then wrapped in tyvick. The windows are double pane vinyl, about 13 years old. I was told by the previous owners they were cheap windows. Some of the gaskets have leaked already and there is condensation between some of the panels. The house next store is about 30 to 40 ft. away. The neighbors seat on their deck and talk. If we seat on our floor next to our bedroom window, we can understand what they are saying. They are talking regular not loud. They will also drop their glass bottles into the plastic recycle bin which is very loud. They also have 3 dogs which bark not a lot put enough to wake you up sometimes. We are thinking about getting new windows and doing something to the walls to deaden the noise. There are 3 windows on the side that face them, 2 in our bed room and 1 in our daughter's room. Do you think we should also do the front of our daughter's room and the back of our room? Do you think new windows will cut down on enough noise? If we get new windows and I put on a good to high quality storm window do you think that will make it better? To everone out there have a good Christmas.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Gus (---.mn.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

The person who knows the most about the quality of the windows is the manufacturer, not the fenistration council, not the salesman or his pushy boss, and please, not the rep from any manufacturer at all, much less American Crapsman :-) . The way to make the manufacturer tell the truth is to look at the small print in the warranty. Look for tricky wording, especially regarding the glass SEAL, not the glass pack in general. Look closely at the wording in particular on the moving parts. Look for words like prorated. "Lifetime" means differnt things in different states, some 15 years, some 7 years like here in Minnesota, UNLESS the warranty gives some other quantifier such as "as long as you own the home". Manufacturers who say a warranty is transferable to the next owner but insist on the papers being recieved within 30 days know hardly anyone will complete them in that time frame. The $75 dollar one time fee for transferring the warranty may be per window, per year, or per window every year!

Look for disclaimers on labor, anything over a $75 trip fee means they have little confidence in their window, because parts don't cost the manufactuer much.

The small print will often say things like Marvin Integrity glass seal "should the seal fail, at the manufacturerss discretion either the entire sash or the glass pack will be replaced" (or wording very close to that) but what that means legally is "should the seal fail, if the manufacurer wants to, either the entire sash or glass pack will be replaced". Traco: 3 to 5 year moving parts warranty - which is it, 3 years or 5, for which parts? - No one knows, but if the manufactuer is not betting on it lasting, you'd be an idiot to. I saw a Kolb3e and Kolbe patio door with a 1 year warranty at Home Depot a while back, the glass package warranty said that the glass would not "chip or crack or peel or fade" for 1 year! That's a paint warranty.

Regarding the comment made about blue vinyl, that is actually the orginal natural color of the virgin vinyl white. They got better at coloring it later, without damaging the integrity of the vinyl.

You people are missing most of the important points of manufacturing quality that leads to higher performance and longer product life.

First off, is it made of virgin vinyl?, secondly is both the sash and the frame fusion welded? Is the fusion welding done at all four corners simulataniously? Are they computer cut and squared? This is highly important as the product you are viewing is the best expamle of that window that ever came our of the factory by golly! The question is what quality will the ones that are delivered to your house going to be?

This is why the ratings of consumer reports and the national fenistration council NFRC are only loosely valid, as wood windows perform dramitcally poorer after weathering one year, and the samples people send are not random.

A huge point your missing is the amount of argon or krypton in the glass package. Law says 75% fill, but that is jsut a target, and the approved method that most of the crummy brands you all have been discussing is the "count method" in which the worker counts by 1000's to fill the number of seconds the form accompaning the window says will fill it to 75%. These windows are known to often be filled as low as 40% with argon. This is critical as the air and gas do not mix much or for long when they do, so the air will bounce rapidly conducting heat one direction or the other and force the gas up and to the center. That is why ratings, U or R factor for the center of the glass are meaningless, it is the edges that will be back down to R1.8 for 2 pane if the glass pack is not highly filled.

What a load of B.S. the guy who said that insulation filled windows are realying on the insulation for strength! Good greif, if that is not an example of A) ignorance, B) stupidity, or most likely C) Outright obvious Lying! Who could possibly think that?
I mean, is the insulation in your houses wall adding support? Please. This is why you can not believe the salesman, you must check out what he says, and do not fall for the tonight only offers no matter what the story is! Especially the "there's a sales contest and I'm goona win a free trip (or whatever) and the contest ends tonight, so I'll sell it without a commission". Or how about the "Model Home" scam like K- designer has, "we have chosen your home to be a model because it's by a school and on a corner and blah blah".

What about installers? Do you think Home Depot has the best installers on their "contractors bulliten board" (which they will point out is not thier crew if you have a problem you know - so don't buy the "big Orange Box is standing behind you" arguement from the sales guy.
If it was a cook at a restaurant, who's go the better cook, perkins, or the fancy place downtown that cost more? If you were a highly talented cook, which one would you work at, McDonalds? You get what you pay for to a large extent. Some of the installers for Home Depot are talented people that are there for a short period of time, until they find a quality window dealer to work for, because they tried working for themselves or someone with a big overhead that the Home Depots of the world has driven out of business. Many of the contractors that would work with those products and those wages are simply not the most talented or profficient.

I want to laugh at the distributor that says how carefull they are about not selling to consumers... doubtful. Nice try there.

I would say that looking for a great savings, super cheap deal on all sorts of things like grocery shopping and or restaurants, clothes, gas, entertainment, is the way to save money, not on such an important and hopefully permanent part of your home.

These are some tips from a Great Lakes Window dealer, some models available at Allied Building Products - Distributors.

Good Luck All, I only serve MPLS, St. Paul area, but you can look at some great windows on my site if you want to see what good windows and happy customers look like.
www.windowlite.com


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Interesting post... some of it valid... some of it not. Entertaining nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Cathy (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

Hi,

We just had a HD quote for the same 6500 series windows, and the same number (18). The maker of the windows is Simonton and is a very good window. Surprisingly, Sears also gave us a quote on the same window which was 4,000. more than HD. HD was 11,000 for the windows and 3,000 for the hurricane shutters. Sears was 18,000 for both (they didn't say how much was for the shutters and how much for the windows). Does that line up with your quote? We are in the same situation as you, not knowing if that is reasonable.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
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Well Gus I can see your point on some things but have to respectfully disagree with others. First off most manufacturer's use a calibration machine with small fill tubes to fill gases in their glass. The unit will beep when it has sensed the proper amount of gas has reached it's pre set level. Now taking into consideration the fill tube being held in the proper area. That's a different story.

Warranties are so complicated because idiots & homeowners installing windows are constantly putting the blame on the manufacturer. The manufacturer is getting tired of paying for windows being damaged or installed incorrectly. Working at Allied, I know you see it daily. You guys spank out a lot of windows form there. So you know how much the manufacturer will try to cover their rear end. Hardware and misc. pieces should be installed or taken care of by the installer. I give a ten year warranty on my products and extend the warranty of the manufacturer. This way I can stay in contact with any issues that arise. There are to many people trying to pass the buck for poor performance or product.

The thing you don't see Gus is the nature of the beast with Joe Public. You guy's sell most of your product to the installers and local vendors. You don't target the public hardly at all. The only issues you really see are those created by the ones you supply.

There are good honest salesmen out there who do a great job. They are few and far between though. The public doesn't have the ability to deal with the manufacturer hardly at all. First of all they really have no clue what to look for. Most the posts on these sites come from people lost or extremely frustrated in finding the right window for their home. They don't understand U-Value, AAMA or even Energy Star. AAMA has a sticker on every window. They have to meet these requirements to sell an acceptable window. The customer puts their trust in the salesemen and installers to do the best job they can. We all know this is where the road goes from concrete to pot holes! To many fly by night installers and companies ripping off good people. So the consumer has become aware of these things and take the time to try and learn in thirty days what we have in decades.

I don't have the answer for dishonest sales tactics or the "HACK" installer. If I could snap my fingers and make it change I would snap them until they bleed. They ruin it for the rest of us who put some time and effort into what we believe and do. Allied is a good company! I buy stuff from them every now and then. It's just a little different on the other side of the big brown wall sometimes. Great Post though!!!!

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: JT (64.122.236.---)
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First time reader and first time writer:

Guy where do you work?? Do you sell windows and/or been around windows enough to know all this????


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
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He most certainly does and has JT. I knew he was a true pro from his first 5 posts. I am sure he will give you his history when he sees your's.


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Window Beagle (---.res.east.verizon.net)
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FenEx, Guy, Et Al

Has anyone ever put together a matrix with the brands and features?

How about a list of the window lines from best to worst (in the opinion of the list maker)?


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
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Jt,
I've been in the door & window trade here in MN since 1974. I've worked my way up from the bottom of the pile. I learned from some of the best in the trade on everything from manufacturing to service... Residential, Commercial and Industrial applications. I've been on my own for the past twelve years. We've installed over 500K doors and windows over the past eight years. During the peak of the season we are running around fifteen crews installing product. I can't say I've seen everything because I still shake my head ounce a week at something or someone. So I'm always open to see and learn anything from anyone. My years as an installer are numbered. It's torn my shoulders up over the years. My 21 year old son has taken on most of the wip cracking. He's been doing it since he was 12. Plus I've had the fun in learning and listening to guys like FeneX and Window4U. They have a great wealth of knowledge to pass on. I'm just an installer who has a huge passion for the industry and how it's done. Hope this helps!!

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Pat (---.alxndr01.va.comcast.net)
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Donna,
I noticed you've been looking at windows for sometime now. Our top two choices are Andersen $7,500 and Home Depot for $5,100. Andersen Co has established trust and quality going for them and HD has quality and price. I found your inputs to be extremely helpful. Do you have an update to where you are at in making your decision and how well do you trust HD for future accountability. Regarding window problems after installation, I only want to make one phone call, and that is to HD. Thanks, Pat


 

 Simonton

Author: Marni (66.155.237.---)
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Does anyone know the difference between Simonton 5500 and Simonton 6500?




 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
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1,000? :-)




 

 Re: Window Wizards or Home Depot

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Sorry about that. I couldn't resist.

The Simonton 5500 I know but I'm clueless on a 6500. I just sell the Platinum Prism whenever I sell Simonton. Maybe Bill can chime in since he is an Impressions dealer.


 

 Re: Simonton

Author: Bill (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
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The 6500 & 5500 are basically the same. Depot will tell you they have an exclusive window from Simonton; technically they are correct in that the 6500 is a 7500 main frame with a 5500 sash so only someone who knows Simonton well could tell the difference. There is no difference in frame quality or weather-stripping design.

A standard 6500 has a better glass system (7/8 double glazed, double strength glass, low-e sc w/ argon) compared to a standard 5500 (¬ĺ‚ÄĚ double glazed, single strength low-e sc w/ argon) But you can upgrade the 5500 glass to 1‚ÄĚ with Super Spacer and now your 5500 is better than your 6500 (this upgrade is not available in the 6500)

The 6500 does come with a stronger warranty.

Bill


 

 Re: Simonton

Author: Marni (66.155.237.---)
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Thanks! Actually it was more like $2000 difference! Home Depot estimate for 16 windows was $9k for 6500 Simonton and another small company's estimate was $7k for 5500 Simonton. If they are basically the same I would rather save $2k. The only plus about HomeDepot is their no interest for one year credit card.

Thanks for the info!


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