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 Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

For those of you looking for the best performing windows on the market.. it's Schuco (corporate partner of Mercedes Benz). Never heard of them? They are the world's largest manufacturer (larger than Anderson, Pella and Marvin combined). They have been in 45 countries since 1952 and are just now manufactured in Connecticut for North America. They are the world's most energy efficient windows with U-factors as low as 0.16.(2.0 Double hungs). Don't be fooled by thinking Low-E/Argon is all that.. it's 1982 technology. Schuco uses a Thermoplastic glazing system that eliminates seal failure and does not conduct like metal spacers used by every other window manufacturer. Want proof? Check out the NFRC.Org. Look between the glass of any other window. You will see either a metal spacer with dotted lines down it or the inverted PPG intercept spacer with a grey compound in the belly of the spacer. These systems are both filled with a dessicant to absorb condensation to disguise seal failures. Bye, Bye Argon Gas and hello conductivity... it's metal and glass folks (cookware). Have more questions??? Ask away.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

TYPO: The Schuco double-hung has a U-factor of 0.20


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Janet Hanewinkel (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

We bought a whole house of windows from Schuco in 2000 for a total price of $24k.

They closed their local office and we can't find anyone to work on these windows. They ended their agreement with the local contractor who told us he can't repair the broken latch on our sliding glass door.

Since you're so high on Schuco do you have any suggestions as to how we get this latch repaired? Schuco customer service hasn't returned our call on this and many other previous occasions.

Thanks


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

If you tell me the state you live in, I can find out who your local rep is and let you know. Typically, the Schuco regional reps deal directly with the dealerships only, but they will absolutely support their product.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Paul (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Janet, sorry to hear of your situation. It doesn't matter how good a product is if the manufacturer won't return your call, when it breaks. I'm in Los Angeles and about to replace all my windows (14)with a name brand vinyl replacement window. I've had 2 qoutes from Atrium and 1 from Milgard. All were within $2,000 of each other. It's almost a sort of a crap shoot when deciding on who. If you could do it all over again, would you still go with "Schuco Windows"?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Janet Hanewinkel (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOT!!!

We finally heard back from customer service today who told my husband too bad; it's installation issues. IT'S NOT; it's a defective latch on a door that they sold us directly during (what we have now discovered) what was their short time in the retail business - only 3 years in St. Louis.

Everyone, including the guy behind this website, keeps saying it's our fault for working with an incompetent contractor. We didn't; we purchased these windows directly from Schuco. My husband was told today that he has to speak to the head of customer service before they'll send us the replacement hardware. My warranty says "MOVING PARTS - LIFETIME. Moving parts....such as locking mechanisms used in all windows or patio doors are warranted for as long as you own and reside in the house....." WHY IS THE ONUS ON ME TO HOUND THESE PEOPLE? I'm sorry; I'm very angry and wish I'd just bought the windows from the local hardware store like everyone else does.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

I have said it before, I'll say it again... Schuco never has, and never will sell direct to homeowners... for this reason. The best products in the world are only as good as their installation. That's more than likely why Schuco ended the relationship with your dealer... poor installation problems. Home Depot plasters hundreds of name-brand logos on their store and literature... It doesn't make them the manufacturer. You got a bad install. Schuco was just named 2004 "Manufacturer of the Year" (internationally).

Your dealer/installer misled you. If they are still in business... you might want to file a suit. In the mean time, as I have told you... I can have your part sent free of charge. I understand your being upset, but anyone in the industry or with the internet can varify that Schuco has no interest in retail outlets. You said yourself, "Everyone, including the guy behind this website, keeps saying it's our fault for working with an incompetent contractor." Is "Everyone" wrong?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Janet Hanewinkel (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

May I fax you the business card of our salesman which has the Schuco logo? Schuco was in the retail business in St. Louis for three years. Have you spoken to anyone at Schuco who will confirm/deny that they had an office here?


 

 Re:Janet's complaint.

Author: windowmann2000 (---.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   

I've corresponded b'4 with you on this issue, and am very curious as to who actually sold you the product. When you repied to me"Schuco" I didn't know what to say. They are a pretty big co and I can't believe they had a retail business. If you can get to the bottom of who actually owned the business, then I can tell you how to go about your service request.


 

 Re:Janet's complaint.

Author: Janet Hanewinkel (---.americanstandard.com)
Date:   

They were in the retail business for a very short while. They had an office in St. Louis, MO on Centerline Drive for approximately 3 years during which time we purchased My salesman, Carl Brown, worked directly for Schuco out of the St. Louis office. I still have his card with the Schuco logo. Additionally, my purchase contract says Schuco at the top and has the corporate office listed as being in Newington (sp? - at work; not looking at it) CT and St. Louis is listed as a branch office.

When they got out of retail they sold their customer list to Dan Lordi, Cameron Contracting who is local. Schuco wouldn't agree to Dan's terms so he no longer services their windows.

No one believes that I purchased these windows directly from Schuco yet I did. I'd be happy to fax you the contract. Meanwhile, Carol in customer service and Jeff Warner, both in the CT office are aware of who we are because we've had so many problems. My warranty clearly states that locking mechanisms are covered and yet Carol told my husband that Jeff would have to approve sending new hardware. Why? Why have I waited close to two weeks now with no service? Also, who is going to install this? Please, at least contact Schuco in CT and ask them whether they ever had an office here. I need someone to belive me. Thanks


 

 Re:Janet's complaint.

Author: windowmann2000 (---.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   

You know the squeaky wheel story, keep it up and you'll get satisfaction. Sounds like Schuco is not living up to their reputation. Their offices are in Ct and it sounds like they were the dealer. I'll get back to you.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Schuco came to North America in 1998 and purchased Homecraft and it's plant under the name Schuco Homecraft L.P. Homecraft had several retail locations and manufactured Insul-sash windows that had alot of problems and they were notorious for high-pressure sales tactics. Companies with problems are cheaper to buy. As Schuco was rebuilding the plant for automation, they continued to provide the Insul-sash product for Homecraft's outlets.

In the latter part of 2000 their fully automated plant was up and running and they closed all of the outlets as they had intended to all along. From then on they manufactured Schuco windows sold through exclusive dealerships and a completly different Insul-sash window for FJB Associates in New York. Some people still get the two confused and to this day Schuco is paying the price for all of the old Insul-sash units and Homecraft's mistakes. The L.P. (Limited Partnership) agreement was designed to protect Schuco from the pre-existing liabilities but even years later they still provide any old model Insul-sash replacement parts if available and in many cases give new windows free of charge... even though they are not legally obligated to.

The patio door she is complaining about is not even a Schuco door... it's a Royal product. Schuco's plant didn't even start their patio door production until 2003. I called Schuco on her behalf. They are going to help her anyways.. free of charge. How many other companies would do the same?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: GEORGE (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

THATS GREAT THAT YOU HELPED THIS LADY, BUT IF IT WERENT FOR YOU SHE'D BE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES TRYING TO GET HER PROBLEM FIXED. THATS THE PROBLEM WITH THESE BIG COMPANY'S LIKE YOU SAY, THEY BUY SMALLER COMPANY'S THAT ARE HAVING PROBLEMS CHEAP. THEN PUT THEIR NAME ON IT BUT DON'T WANT TO FIX PROBLEMS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT. THEN THEY WONDER HOW THEY GET A BAD NAME.


 

 Re:Janet's complaint.

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

I can confirm that Schuco had a retail presence in the past.

The Schuco dealer with which I'm dealing here in Cincinnati told me there WAS a factory store under the name "Schuco Homecraft" several years ago. He explained that the Europeans sell most replacement windows in traditional retail fashion, as opposed to the direct sale, in-home, dealer-driven method that dominates the replacement window market in the US.

Apparently, after a relatively short time, they corporately decided these stores were a mistake in the US, and went solely to dealer distribution. It was at that point.....about 3 years ago.....that this particular individual with which I'm speaking connected with Schuco.

Obviously, Janet was involved with them during this period.....and is now being "forced" to pay the price for this change.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Obviously niether of you read my previous post. I explained it accurately as I know the Schuco North American executives personally. Schuco had no intention of having a retail business... the few stores in question were pre-existing Homecraft outlets that attached the Schuco name after the purchase. In addition... I made it quite clear that Schuco does offer product support for the old Homecraft Insul-sash units regardless of having no legal obligation to do so. You also missed the part about Janet's patio door with problems is not even a Schuco product... it's a Royal. The Insul-sash and Schuco are NOT the same product.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: angela cangialosi (---.net709.fl.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

I am a homeowner and live in the Central Florida area. I was interested in purchasing single hung windows, problem is I can not find anyone in this area that sells shuco windows. Do you know of anyone.
I live in Volusia County.

Thank You


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Try calling Schuco directly and asking if they are working with a dealer in your area. 1-877-4-SCHUCO. Good Luck.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: gwmike (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Schuco makes a good product.I own a small business in NC and have done window installation for 20 years. The only problem I have ever dealt with a schuco window is the casing discolors,even worse in colors.The best windows for the money are Atrium.The technology may be old but it works.The new tech.in schuco windows is promising but unproven.Look at the number of low-e/argon in the country compared to schuco.The glass industry grows in leeps and bounds if the tech. was that good everyone would be doing it,glass companies are very competitive and always want to offer something no one has.But the bottom line is a warranty is only as good as the installation company,NOT window manufacturer.The reason listed above is why I don't rep. Schuco.There is no money in doing things twice.The manufacturer may reimburse for the windows,but the installation company picks up the labor costs.The best way to deal with a problem is not have one.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

<shaking head> ... gwmike... before posting... do your homework. I wasn't even going to reply to you moronic statements but... I'm in the mood.

-Casing discolors?? Casing is an interior trim... not part of any window. As for in colors...???... are you drinking? If you meant the vinyl frame or sash... Schuco Intermational is the world's largest virgin-vinyl extruder and it's guaranteed for life.
- Atrium verses Schuco is like a Saturn competing with a Benz. Look up the stats.
-Schuco unproven? They are the largest window manufacturer in the world in 45 countries and around since 1951. New to North America, now made in CT. and for the record... they are corporate partners with Mercedes Benz.
- Low-E argon is as grossly outdated as playing Pong on Atari vs. x-box. I won't bother crushing you with the details... wat too many big words.
- You are not a dealer because you have no knowledge of the product and from the intelligence of your post you wouldn't meet their criteria... you have no choice in the matter. They are presently only dealing with exclusive dealers.

I look forward to windowman's response to your post as well.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: ward5000 (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

After the post above I am almost scared too ask but, I will anyway because I am interested in considering the "Benz" window. Have you heard of Amerimax and their window technology? They make a vinyl window for a company called k-designers. How would you compare Schuco windows to K-designer windows?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: windowmann2000 (---.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Ummmmm, I'm not going there, head won't stop shaking. GWMIKE, obviously you've had a few.
Ward, Amerimax looks like a better than average vinyl window, but I get nervous whenever they bring up the term pocket sill. About five years ago I sold and installed a small bay window with double hung flankers. A few months later I get a call saying the window leaked and ruined the floor and her new drapes and the seatboard. Well they were gone for a few days and it rained a lot, and the sill damned up. Cost me a few bucks and the only time I've had trouble like this is with a pocket sill, so check there water test 6.75psf and above is ok.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: angela cangialosi (---.net094.fl.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

Does schuco sell single hung windows?
I see postings on double hung, but what about single hung windows?


 

 Complaint resolution

Author: Janet Hanewinkel (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Due to the efforts of the Fenestration Expert (and perhaps Windowman2000???) I was able to speak with a higher-up at Schuco who said his primary goal was to make things right. Schuco is sending me a new sliding glass door; I agreed to pay to have it installed. I should also clarify that we haven't had problems with the windows (e.g.-leaks, drips, etc.)themselves; our problems have been caulking, broken latches, and exterior trim. We are pleased with the energy savings we've realized since installing these windows and hopefully this will be the last of our problems. Thanks again to those who helped us; we couldn't have gotten this resolved without them.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

You are very welcome Janet. Thanks for the post.


 

 Re: Complaint resolution

Author: george (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

great job fenestration expert. thats pretty cool helping out, the way you did.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Russel (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
Date:   

Hello,

I visited the Schuco website(www.shuco-usa.com), and wasn't able to find out what new developments they use in their windows that is much more advanced than the 1982 LowE/Argon technology. I'm still trying to learn, so I might have read it and just didn't understand. The biggest difference seemed to be their TPS sealing system, which doesn't use metal. Is that what makes these windows superior?

Also, you said that all of the other manufacturers used dessicant to hide seal failures, but I found on their site that they use dessicants as well.

"Lower Saturation of the Desiccant- All sealed insulating glass units have a desiccating material to absorb moisture trapped between the glass panes. The TPS System has a higher desiccant saturation point, which increases the life of the I.G. unit and reduces the chance of annoying fogging." - taken from http://www.schuco-usa.com/tps/tps.htm

Also, comparing U-factors with their Corona 4000 Double Glazed Krypton filled window with Milgard's Suncoat Low-E glass, they both are listed as 0.29. Is there some other rating that makes the Schuco a better window?

http://www.milgard.com/getting-started/energy-efficiency.asp

http://www.schuco-usa.com/productdetails/c4000dh.html

I'm just trying to learn, so any insights as to what exactly makes Schuco better would be appreciated.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

The TPS system is a huge advantage but the overall engineering and quality is easily noticed. You are correct about the use of desiccants but their are different reasons. The TPS has an integrated desiccant of 3.9% just to allow for any possible moisture contaminants during manufacturing. Other spacer systems rely on the desiccants to absorb moisture, hiding seal failures. If you go to Carindal's site, their posted picture clearly shows that about 70% of their spacer system is desiccant... that's why their are perforated holes along all the metal spacers if you look between the glass. The PPG, same concept, if you look closely you will see the belly of their system is filled with a grey desiccant. The Super-Spacer... 40% desiccant by weight.

Schuco's Corona 4000 line is primarily marketed with the triple-pane, double Low-E with Krypton.... U= .21 Their casements are a .18 and have picture windows as low as .15. Combining the performance, 1 seal failure in 27 years, beauty, steel lift rails, clean cut fusion welds.. etc. In my opinion, it is very simply the finest vinyl window on the market. No... I don't work for Schuco. Good luck.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

Keep it up, FE......the indicators right now are that Schuco will be getting an order from me, possibly as early as tomorrow. :-)




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Russel (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
Date:   

Thanks for info.

So the main technological advances that Schuco uses over 1982 LowE/Argon technology are:
1) TPS seal.
2&3) Triple instead of Double Pane, which allows for double LowE.
4) Krypton instead of Argon gas.

How does TPS compare to the Swiggle Spacer System? (www.swiggle.com)




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

Not FE, but allow me to chime in. Actually, since FE has taught me EVERYTHING I know about vinyl replacement windows, my opinion is now accepted as a substitute forhis LOL !!!!!!!!!! Anyway............

Triple glazing, double Low-E, and krypton are.....in no way, shape, or form.....a Schuco-specfic advantage. Many manufacturers offer some or all of these features nowadays. The TPS spacer, on the other hand, indeed IS Schuco-specific and IS considered a strong advantage versus all competitors by Schuco-devotees.

As far as I can tell, fans of Super Spacer believe this advantage to be dubious at best. For that matter, as an alternative to old metal spacers, even Intercept appears to be a distinct improvement.....though few can truly deny the advantages of the real "warm-edge" designs of TPS or Super Spacer.

Swiggle is a very old design, though some companies are still using it. It's low-cost, and provides a "sort-of" warm edge seal. However, it's not generally considered comparable to TPS or Super Spacer.

Schuco frame and sash construction is considered world-class, though I'm not 100% sure whether it's more a function of design, state-of-the-art fabrication, or a both. Obi-Wan FE could tell you more about that.




 

 What's the difference ???

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

I've been trying to figure what really differentiates the Schuco Corona models.

As far as I can surmise, the 2000 is clearly the entry-level price leader; relatively light on features and performance specs. I get the impression its construction may, in some way, be different that the 3000 and 4000.

On the other hand, I'm guessing the 3000 and 4000 series have a frame/sash design upgraded in some manner from the 2000. The two are then differentiated from one another by the IG package; the 3000 is only available double glazed with or without argon, whereas one must buy the 4000 in order to get triple glazing and/or krypton.

Is that right ???




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

For a consumer, you're becoming VERY good wvuguy!
The 2000's elegance comes from it's slimline design.{It's thinner and less expensive.}

It also has integrated lift rails and double weatherstripping like most other vinyl windows instead of the steel handles and triple weatherstripping of it's 3000 and 4000 counterparts.
But, the 2000 still has the same TPS seals, constant force balances, locking screens, routed welded corners, and superior fit and finish of the other two, and is still superior to most other vinyl windows in features and performance in my opinion.
The 3000 and 4000 are almost identical except the 4000 is the only one out of the three to have triple pane low-e with Krypton gas.

If you get to know these windows any better, I'm going to offer you a sales job selling Schucos!




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

When it comes to "major" purchases, I've been known to obsess.

My wife sometimes (or perhaps I should say MOST times) thinks I need my head examined.....and she's probably right. I went just about stark raving mad earlier this year trying to figure out the best MATTRESS to buy. That's an industry equally as wacky, in it's own way, as replacement windows.

Anyway, as an individual who has made a career of selling engineered products, I possess a inherent curiosity in learning about new things from a engineering, fabrication, and marketing standpoint. That's especially true when thousands of my dollars are on the line.

To be honest, this Board has been a lifesaver for that obsessive side of my brain. I comb over literature and websites like crazy, doing everything I can to at least ensure I make the most INFORMED decision possible.....if not the absolute BEST.

As it applies to the bizarro world of replacement windows, I clearly didn't possess enough independent knowledge to trust my instincts for this upcoming buy. I've also been on enough Message Boards over the years to know which are worthwhile and which aren't worth the bandwidth they're hogging.

But, there are a few folks on this board.....like yourself......that make THIS particular board extraordinarily valuable. Please accept my thanks for the role you personally have played in dramatically improving my knowledge of this industry.

Now, about that Sales job........... :-)




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Dayum... you two are gonna make me obsolete. The only thing I can add is that the 2000 has an extruded lift rail where the 3000 & 4000 have the steel lifts. They use an electromagnetic enamel finish on the steel as opposed to baked enamel. Most use the baking process because it's fast, but the heating process opens the pours of the paint causing it to hold more dirt and wear faster. The 2000 has no vent locks, the 3000 has basic vent locks, the 4000 has Lexan deluxe vent locks. Lexan is also used for the constant force balance housings and to make AT&T payphones and the cockpit canopies of our fighter jets (very durable). The only other difference I can see is that the 2000 & 3000 have a flat interior glazing bead while the 4000 has a convex bead giving it that traditional wood window look. If I need more information on the products I'll just ask the two of you from now on... sheesh. LOL


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

The rounded internal glazing bead on the Corona 4000 offers real aesthetic advantages.

It wasn't until I read this post.....and got another look this morning at a sample.....that I realized Schuco offered it in the 4000. To be honest, that was one of the reasons I originally preferred Preservation to Schuco. I'm glad to see that's been rendered a non-issue.

BTW, FE and W4U, my dealer is still telling me that Schuco WILL fabricate a 70x64 (134 UI) dual-lite, dual-operating casement in full-blown Corona 4000 spec. This, of course, flies in the face of what Schuco told me personally.

In my own mind, I've satisfied myself that living with the inline slider might indeed be safer than casements, which seems to be pretty much in lockstep with your recommendations. However, my wife still much prefers the cleaner exterior look of the casement (primarily due to the screens being mounted inside rather than exposed outside).

So, I'm probably going to be more or less "forced" to choose with casements if this choice is truly available. That said, I have a sneaking suspicion that.....when push comes to shove.....somebody at Schuco is going to put the brakes on the notion of casements this size.

And, I'm preparing for just that eventuality..........




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

OH, and BTW, that Inline Slider really is one, damn SLICK design. At face value, it couldn't be much simpler. And of course, we all know that the BEST designs are the SIMPLEST ones.

However, there must be something about that 45 degree "pivot-track" in the horizontal travel that's makes it either damn tough to achieve a repeatable "weather-tight" seal, or it's for some reason tough to fabricate. But they've obviously got it nailed.

In fact, I'll bet this is a case where their fully-automated assembly process REALLY pays off. You get those tracks out of square even a few millimeters, and you've probably got problems with leaks.

This design, if for no other reason, shows you that Schuco REALLY has its **** together.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Ed (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Fenestration Expert

We live in the Chicago area and are subject to some high heat conditions during the summer months (as you well know - btw - what area of Chi are you from?). In any event, we're giving Schuco 4000 series a real strong look due primarily to what you've had to say about it.

My questions:

What, if any, options would you suggest for these windows in this climate.
Will the heat/humidity conditions here have any negative effect? In all honesty, how would you rate vinyl vs. fiberglass? If it were your home (mine is somewhere around 30 yo)would you use the replacement or new construction method of installation and why not the alternative? If replacement, about what % of window area or inches of glass/side should we expect to lose? Everyone says to make sure the installation is well done - how does someone that's ignorant of right/wrong in this area know what to look for? As for installer references, well, how many installers would give out the names of dissatisfied customers and how does one know if the references know what to look for also........... And finally, considering that our existing windows are single pane with storms, what would you guess our energy savings might amount to?

Thanks for all of your help.

Ed




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

I'll let Fenestration Expert answer his own questions, but I would like to chime in on your references and installer questions.
As a dealer myself, I try to first give my potential customer some ways to check me out independently. I tell them to check me out with the BBB {0 complaints ever} and also with the Illinois State Attorney General's Office. {0 complaints ever.}
I also have a master list of thousands of previous customers they can go through and randomly pick out names and numbers to call and ask questions about me and my company.
I also have a Powerbook laptop with about 6000 photos of every conceivable type of job, so my potential customer can get a feel for the workmanship and capabilities of my company and it's installers. I also try to educate my potential customer as to the things that need to be done to make an installation a complete and professional one.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that a real pro that cares will give you the tools you need to feel comfortable with him without you even asking.
As you stated, what are a handful of hand picked references worth if he hand picked them?
I'm happy you are going to take a look at Schuco as well. You will be impressed with the fit and finish of this window as well as all the great features.
I have put my previous top of the line window on a kitchen table and put the Schuco Corona 4000 next to it and gone over it feature by feature and the Schuco blew it away. It really is that much above the rest.
Good shopping and Good luck! Tell us how things turned out.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Ed

I don't recieve any financial gain from my posts, only the satisfaction of feeling I used my knowledge to help someone.
As for options, those are your decisions to make, but if you percieve your home to be your greatest investment that protects you and your family from the environment and it's cost's... here's the basics. In your home's shell, your windows are "The weakest link". Anything anyone can do to plug those holes in the boat affects your home's overall performance substantially.

Depending on the width of your existing window styles and rails, you will lose approx. 1" on each side in most cases. The opposing option is ripping out your jambs and adding 20-40% to your cost after finishing.

Energy savings depends on your overall home. In most cases, gas and electric bills are about 40-50% dedicated to heating and cooling. A product of this performance can in many cases reduce that dedicated amount by 40-50% over your existing windows.

Good Luck, and let us know your outcome!




 

 Schuco Contractor

Author: Dennis (---.ihsenergy.com)
Date:   

We are thinking of buying the Schuco Corona 4000 series window for our home here in Colorado.

My question is:
How do we know the installer of these windows is qualified for the job?

Does Schuco sell their windows to contractors that have to meet thier standards for installing their windows so that if there is a problem with the window, the installation process is also covered?

Say, for example, the Corona 4000 window encounters a problem, can Schuco tell me it is not their problem because it was installed incorrectly, and what if the contractor says it Schuco's problem and his?

Any info. would be great.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Window4U {IL} (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Having Certified Installers is part of the process of being a Schuco dealer. Schuco sends their training people out to fully factory train the installers and certify them. This is mandatory.
Schuco is not directly responsible for the installation after that, though. That is the Schuco dealers responsibility.
It's a much better system than buying windows that some guy in a pickup truck bought at the local home center and sold to you. You have the confidence to know that your installer has had proper training on the product being installed.
You are getting ready to buy the best and most energy efficient window made on earth,.... you won't be sorry.




 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Dennis (170.207.1.---)
Date:   

Thanks for the response.

What about pricing?

How do I know I am getting a good deal on pricing for these "top-of-the-line" windows if they are unique to my area?

I have 13 windows to replace, nothing too large (the biggest is about 58" wide x 40" tall)?

Any links to a price list?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: sylvia (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

I have just located this wonderful site and your expertise. I got two quotes for 10 windows.Simonton impressions series for $6,880 and one for Viplex window system 4000 for $8891. Now I am reading about Schuco and think that maybe I should to reconsider both of these. Any input you could provide would be greatly appreciated before I make a final decision. How do these windows compare? We live in the Oakland CA area.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

As is quite clear, we have several "members" of this board that strongly believe Schuco makes a product that is unsurpassed in the industry.

While I personally am not a window expert, I am experienced in evaluating engineered products. After looking at admittedly high quality offerings from Alside (Preservation), Gilkey, Vinyl Kraft, Kolbe and Kolbe, Sugarcreek, Winstrom, Champion, and Anderson Renewal, I confidently selected Schuco for my project.

While I won't deny that some of those members to which I referred above weren't persuasive factors in this decision, even I could easily tell what makes Schuco outstanding in this field beyond class-leading specs. Physical stability, unique spacer technology, smooth fusion welds, one-hand locks, and other factors just put the icing on the cake baked by "Obi-Wan" Fen Ex and Window4U.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: 73guna (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

How are Schuco windows at preventing condensation? I installed a Pella picture window acouple years back and the condensation problem in the winter months was terrible. We had a honeycomb window shade that we pulled down every night and when lifted in the morning the window was covered with water to the point of puddleing at the bottom and running down the wall. I realize the shade had something to do with this but none the less it was very annoying. We couldnt even control it with the furnace humidistat. Was this just a poor performing window?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Your furnace humidistat does not control humidity in your home... it only has the ability to add it... not remove it. Condensation appears when the humidity (water vapor) in the air hits a surface at the dew point threshold. 10 inches of solid iron would do the same thing. It may not be your window if it has good thermal insulation. The shade is shielding the glass from doing it's job. The warm, moist air filtering around it is hitting the glass which is subject to the outside temp moreso than the ambient room temp. If you cut back the blinds or leave it open a few inches on the bottom, it should resolve the problem.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: inthe know (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

installers are not certified by shuco, if you know this industry you should know this,


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

On the contrary, Schuco is only available through exclusive dealers, and absolutely sends out installation technicians from corporate to train reps and installers not only in classroom but out on actual installations. Any Schuco dealer will verify this.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U {IL} (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

In the know, you don't a thing.
The first thing Schuco does is send out factory techs to train the installers. You are totally ignorant of the facts, and I for one wish you'd keep your "hack facts" to yourself.
Tell us how good YOUR product is instead, and support it with real facts.
That is what these consumers are here for, to learn about the many excellent windows out there. Not to read baseless attacks and lies.

By the way, I'm a Schuco dealer, and I really am ........"in the know".




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: ThoroughlyConfused (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

OK. I live in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles, CA and I've gotten presentations from Simonton and Viplex (series 2000). My Simonton guy was from Sears and I was not very impressed with him because he was selling Sears more than Simonton (so I am not sure how good Simonton is). My Viplex guy says Viplex sells it and installs it so I don't have to suffer the installer me and the manufacturer getrting into a shooting match. But assuming that I have good installation people, how would you rate Viplex and Simonton on a 1 to 10 scale 10 being best. It seems good windows cost about $1,000 apiece when you average it out. Do you have a Schuco person who handles my area and could you recommend them?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U {IL} (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

No, there are none in California, but I have heard rumors of a new Schuco plant in the plans for California to serve the west.


 

 WV guy

Author: windowmann2000 (---.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   

You will never go wrong with Shuco window's, you've made a good choice. The only thing you missed is comparing them to window's of similar quality. Rewewal and the other's are not in the same class. If you could get all the better window's side by side which is very dificult you'd see the big differences between the middle class and the upper class.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: veronica (---.we.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

who can u refer us angelenos to if they dont make schuco who is the next best out here please tell




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: veronica (---.we.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

who can u refer us angelenos to if they dont make schuco who is the next best out here please tell


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: kris (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

try contacting an ANLIN dealer. www.Anlin.com


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: newneighbor (205.181.102.---)
Date:   

Any recommendations for Dealers/Installers around Princeton, NJ


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: windows (---.hr.hr.cox.net)
Date:   

A Schuco dealer come out and gave me an estimate on the corona 4000. I was very impressed with the window. But when I asked him about installation like would they repacle rotten sill and brick molding he indicate that if the wood was not to rotten he would wrap it. I did not believe he said that. I ask him again about wrapping rotten wood and again he indicated if it was not a high bearing piece and that it was dry, they would wrap it. WHAT a TURN OFF!!!. So does Schuco installation tech from Corporate go by these guidelines?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

OK.. first of all....I had a difficult time reading your post.... I had to read it three times (literally). Secondly, what your rep told you was in your best interest. If the exterior trim, brickmould or subsurface is in solid-state enough to securely hold a fastener... cap it and be done with it covered by his warranty. If that bothers you... tell him you will gladly pay him extra for labor and materials to replace it and then cap it for the exact same result at your expense... not his!!! Do you work for free???!!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Allen (---.177.58.232.adsl.snet.net)
Date:   

I am negotiating to purchase an older house in the Danbury CT area. Please recommend a contractor installer that will have some expertise with antique house window replacement. By the way, where in CT is your factory?
Thanks in advance for your reply!




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Schuco does produce a great line of products, but as they are relatively new to the States, they are not available in all areas as of yet... but it is in the works.

For others reading this post, I don't work for Schuco... but I do believe they have the finest vinyl windows on the market. I have gotten to know the product, the people and many of the dealers very well. If I can help connect you with product information, dealer locations or dealership opportunities... I'd be happy to do so.

FenEx@optonline.net


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Very Interesting Article... hope you all enjoy.

http://www.usglassmag.com/Door_and_Window_Maker/Backissues/April-May-June02/fearfactor.htm

A few key notes:

"After ten weeks of high humidity testing for initial Argon fill and retention, Edgetech’s Super Spacer and TruSeal’s Swiggle maintained well over a 90 percent fill rate. However, the Intercept units started at an 88-percent fill rate and after ten weeks dropped to a 74-percent fill rate. The units were also subjected to ten weeks of P1 tests. All units dropped to under the 90-percent rate: Super Spacer hit a low of 82; Intercept 70; and Swiggle 58."

(In only 10 weeks???????? WOW!!!)


"Revolutionizing the Industry"
"TPS (Schuco) turned out to be a revolution for the industry. The non-metallic TPS spacer provides the highest degree of thermal insulation in the edge zone, resulting in an even temperature distribution across the entire window surface for the ultimate occupant comfort."

"Also of interest to the consumer, the TPS material ensures a gas retention rate that is significantly better than the industry standard of 1 percent loss per year. Incidentally, our gas-filling system, integrated in the assembly and press machine, achieves gas-fill levels consistently better than 97 percent. The life of the unit, based on scientific test results, is anywhere between 80 and 300 years. Additionally, the black spacer is to reflect the colors of the window frame on the glass, thereby making the spacer practically invisible."

"There are now approximately 30 TPS systems operating worldwide, making everyone wonder why insulating glass (IG) units were not made that way all along. Now that there are two TPS systems up and running for well over a year in the United States (one for residential and one for commercial applications) it is the right time to explore the concept and its ramifications in greater detail."


I love technology... it makes my job easier.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: windowmann2000 (---.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Your Shuco representative was acting in your best interest. I've installed vinyl window's for over 20yrs in Wi and if you have some minor rot on the brickmold or sill it doesn't need to be replaced just covered. At strategic point's when cladding a window you must have places where you can position a nail, if one of these places is rotten then it's acceptable to splice in some fresh wood to accept the nail, but there is no need to replace every bad looking piece of wood. Once the window is cladded and properly caulked it's good for the next fifty years or more.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Cheryl (---.snvacaid.covad.net)
Date:   

These tests are accellerated weathering. Would love to see the results on the TPS system - please share any certified test results - Thanks


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: John (---.san.rr.com)
Date:   

I live in San Diego, California and want to replace my old aluminum windows. I was considering vinyl by Milgard, until I heared of Fibrex from Andersen, but now, I heared from Schuco and I wonder if they have a replacement window I should use.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Unfortunately, they are not available west of the rockies yet. There are plans in the works I hear for new manufacturing plant for the west coast, but nothing now. My recommendation would be Milgard out of the other two brands you named. I worked for Renewal by Anderson as an installer and was not impressed by the frame material at all, and saw frames that broke easily at the corners because of brittleness. They were attractive though.
Milgard and Anlin are recommended on this site quite often as decent choices, so you may want to check both of those out.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Eric Richards (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Before you invest do yourself a favor and check out www.nopaint.com. (Palmer Premiere)
One of the best looking windows I've seen and service 2nd to none.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: JoAnn Lloyd (---.nyc.untd.com)
Date:   

But what's the difference between the Insul-Sash and the Corona Series 3000 and 4000? Help!!!!! We just spent $12,000 for Insul-Sash in New York. We've only got 3 days to get out of it. Is Insul-Sash an excellent window or not? Thanks for any info.


 

 schuco

Author: patty a (---.sav.bellsouth.net)
Date:   

We just met w/ a rep from a local company which sells schuco windows, as well as other building products.
We are building a house on the coast in Georgia. We were told by the rep that we could have our contractor install the windows and this would not void the warranty. It lowered the cost by half at least.
Please advise. We liked the schuco windows, and are willing to pay more for a quality product, as long as it is backed by service and can withstand the sun and water.
What about wind?
Also how long should we expect them to last,realistically?




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

It is not Schuco's policy to have outside installers set product. You might want to call them direct. The Schuco products were recently tested again and have a DP-65 rating and an air-infiltration of .01. They carry a transferable, non-prorated lifetime guaranty and scientific testing noted in DWM gives them a predicted life expectancy of 80-300 years. Good Luck


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Kel (---.prfred01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

Hello to all, it has been very inciteful reading all the comments since I just entered into a contract to by Schuco windows Suprema Plus triple glaze krypton filled. I would like to know if the price I paid was about right. I purchased 16 windows. Sizes ranged anywhere from 35 x 35 to 35 x 58 and 1 sliding door 72 x 80. I paid 16,768 installed with lifetime warranty on window and 5 yr installation waranty as well. One other question, I live in MD, did not know about double paned Schucos, should I look into double-paned windows? Would they be suitable to our area, and would they be considerably cheaper?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: angella (---.hevanet.com)
Date:   

I think you paid about $8000. more than you should. Everyone on all discussion boards agree that $1000 per window is outrageous. Cancel, educate yourself better and keep shopping. Good luck.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Flydaddy (---.il-chicago0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date:   

I am about to embark on a career with Siding 1 windows 1 and wonder what your concerns are about the way they are currently doind business?

Can you give me some ideas of the problems you have encountered or heard of?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Kel
Price sounds high for what you mentioned... but alot of factors go into an install depending on the circumstances of your home. Not enough information for me to comment further on the price.



Angela
Are cars all the same? A Benz is certainly not a Hyundai. A brake job on a Chevy can be $59 or $600 depending on the work to be done after physical inspection. Internet pricing can and is usually very innacurate and deceptive without accurate detail and personal inspection.



Flydaddy
You, nor they would want my imput of the subject on the Net. Every company has a chance to improve... hope they have for your sake and the sake of others in their area. I'll leave it at that. Wish you well.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Sergey (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

I bought a 20+ yr old house with wood windows that are way overdue. There are about 20 of them plus 3 sliding doors. Several of the window's sills are badly rotted and no telling what may be inside, although I have not seen evidence of problems. Also some of these sills have inserts under them (or is that part of the sill?) 3-4 inches tall on the bricked front of the house - painted and rotten under the paint, of course.

I am thinking about replacing the whole mess and re-roofing and possibly re-siding while I am at it.

- am I looking at enormously inflated installation costs for windows to replace the whole mess including the sills?
- is it reasonable to expect to find windows that will fill the openings, rather than having 3-4 inch sills/heads?
- should I be looking to get diferent companies involved in this, or is it reasonable to expect to find one that will handle the whole job? Otherwise how do I get them coodinated?
- can anybody recommend someone in Central/South NJ?




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Kel (---.prfred01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

Thank you for the answer. What should I expect to pay for the Schuco Window and sliding glass door? I hear you all say how nice the window is and it looked great when it was shown to us. Guess I will be terminating the contract until I can figure this out. Thank you again.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Kel (---.prfred01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

It is Kel again,
I did fail to mention in a previous question that the windows I ordered had 6/6 grids. The salesman said these would add another $100 per window. I figured the 16 windows to average $850 with the sliding glass door $3000. I would like a great product but at the right price. Thank you again for any help you all can give.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Kel, if you live in an area that has a high cost of doing business, which I think you probably do, then you may not be that far off on price. I would definitely be less on the same Schuco bid, but I'm sure my cost of doing business is not nearly as high as where you are. He's not ridiculously priced for that product though, like some of these companies selling low and mid-range windows for $1000-$1200. The Schuco IS the best of the best in vinyl windows after all.
If you were to compare your bid to any premium wood window replacement, they would cost you at least that, probably more. Schuco does give you extremely good value and longevity, so take all this into account. Good luck on your decision, and sorry not to be able to give you a pure cut and dry answer. There are just too many variables.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Kel (---.prfred01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

Thank you Window4u, we do live in a high priced area (DC). I have until Monday night to terminate the contract, anyone else have an idea on the subject, or what it has cost to intall these type of windows? The company is ranked well with the BBB and is offering a 5 year warranty on the installation. Thank you all.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Kel

Email me if you care to. Might be able to help... will if I can.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: E-Z (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date:   

also check out POLYBAU windows in california they have the latest in glazing and frame technology available in the west coast.

E-z

www.polybau.com


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: bobD (---.fda.gov)
Date:   

There is a new Schuco dealer in Pittsburgh, PA. They quoted $5000 for 5 inline sliders, Coronet 4000. There advertisement offered triple pane for the price of double pane. The rep started with the "retail" value of the windows, then gave a credit of $570 for the old windows, and a $1800+ credit for the triple pane. Their sales tactics sound suspicious, price seems to be way too high. I asked about other Schuco sliders such as 2000 or 3000 and he says they only carry the 4000 line. How can a Schuco dealer only sell 1 line when they are the only game in town?? Any opinions on this?? Thanks!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Each Schuco dealer has their own pricing based on their overhead. The Schuco sliders (as I'm sure your already know by seeing them) are incredible and certainly more expensive than double hungs especially when they fill an opening that would need 2 DH's for the same width. All products have a retail price... some dealers use it, some share it, some just create their own. That's not bad sales... it's just one form.

I don't recommend any dealers sell the 2000 and 3000 lines... nor does Schuco Corporate. Your dealer was correct and was saving you time. The 2000 and 3000 series are the predecessors to the 4000. Customer savings is minimal but the beauty, quality and performance is noticeable. Schuco's are not the perfect fit for everyone... but if you want the best window, the best performance, and the best long term investment.... they are worth every penny you were quoted.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: vpmrktg (---.cap.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

Where do you live? Perhaps I can help you find someone


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: colin (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

My wife and I are looking for windows (14, pretty standard sizes) for our new place in Cambridge MA. After reading the pro-Schuco posts on this and another board, I gave the company a call. They told me that New England Sash was their local distributor, but it turns out that NE Sash doesn't install in condominiums!, which I found shocking considering the majority of homes in the Boston/Cambridge area must be condos. Any advice on how I could still get these windows?

If not, would anyone have suggestions for alternatives? How about installers in the Boston area that people have had experience with? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: bobD (---.fda.gov)
Date:   

Thanks Fen Ex, The Schuco Inline Slider was exceptional and innovative in its design. However, "retail pricing" especially
unpublished pricing is subject to "creative" sales tactics. So I questioned if the quoted price was acceptable. It is good to know that you feel it was a good quote. The sales rep was very professional and did not push his case. Unfortunately, I have a budget and other competing projects. I liked the Simonton 9800 series slider very much and their quote was around $3300.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Sheri (65.119.135.---)
Date:   

I just purchased 8 Schuco 4000 Series windows from a company in Kentucky at ~$440.00 each. I'm curious if I got a good deal or not.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

So here is the hiding spot. I'll stay in the back of the room this time. When I went to the other site everyone left. sob I'll just read what you post and stay in the background like a mouse.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Sergey (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Folks,

at a suggestion from another board, I went and looked up Schuco on the CT BBB site:
http://www.connecticut.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bureau=walling&compid=1154&code=JZ

The report states:

Customer Experience

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau
due to not resolving complaints within the Bureau's time frame and due to an unresolved complaint.

This obviously makes me question whether to deal with the company's product.

Also, I e-mailed Schuco asking for some contacts for dealers/installers in my area and have not received a response in two days...




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Glenn (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Hi, I am totally confused. I just had Shuco window installer come to our home. I was very impressed by the windows, but they are very expensive . I need 17 windows. He said he could install the windows , outside wrapping and everything for less than 700 a window. I am also looking at the Simonton Reflections 5500 series. Are the Shucos twice as good. I always want the best but. I really did not want to spend 11-12 grand. Please help me decide.

Thanks Please e mail me I appreciate it.

Glenn


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Look at the report a little closer please. It says manufacturer, sales, and installation. SCHUCO DOES NOT INSTALL WINDOWS.THEY ARE A MANUFACTURER. This was a Homecraft Co. retailer that Schuco bought the name of when entering the U.S. market. They found out later that there were over 400 complaints from this private window contractor, and though not legally obligated to do so, have resolved all but two of these complaints to satisfaction as a good will gesture. Very admirable considering they had no legal obligation to do so.
One of them is a deck installation for goodness sake!
The President and Vice President of Schuco-USA have met just last week with the head of the BBB to resolve these two last issues that they are in NO way obligated to.

Schuco is a multi-billion dollar manufacturer, in 44 countries world-wide, are partners with Mercedes Benz, are well respected world wide and are a wonderful and feature-filled premium window that any homeowner would be thrilled to have for a lifetime of service.
Good luck on your search!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Florida Lady (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

Hello,
O.K. I respect your opinion on windows, but what about the best in the sliding patio door. Obviously I'm looking for "the best"
especially since were now bracing for Hurricane Frances.
Thank You


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Florida Lady (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

Testing


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Florida Lady (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

Hello,
If my home survives Hurricane Frances, would you say that Schuco's Sliding Patio Door is "The Best". I'm looking at Simonton and Gorell right now. Any advice will be helpful.
Thank You


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: vera (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

I started researching vinyl replacement windows and their companies about 2-3 months ago. Live on Long Island, NY and am looking to replace 23 metal casement windows with vinyl casements. I find that the window salesmen state what is best is what their particular product has. They are contradictory among each other and it is confusing, on such points as metal reinforced sash/frame, metal in the spacer, foam filled sash/frame, argon vs krypton, etc. Those that have say it’s good, those that don’t have, say it’s bad or not necessary. Those that have the Good Housekeeping Seal proudly state so. Those that don’t have it, say “you can buy that.” What’s a person to think?

I’ve looked at Schuco from King Quality, Great Lakes from All-Pro and 2 that manufacture their own windows, Champion and TriState. Grover, who sells Gorell, wasn’t even interested in sending a salesman to my home for an estimate. I’ve check nfrc.org, bbb, dept of energy, etc. I know more about attributes of windows than I ever wanted to know, but still don’t know what is best. Schuco is the front runner, but I still have some reservations, based on comments from the other companies.

Metal in the frame – good to reinforce strength, or bad as a heat/cold conductor?
Foam insulation in the frame – does it provided better insulation than multiple chambers of vinyl?
U-factor – is it for the glass pack only, or for the glass and frame?
R-factor – is if for the frame only, or for the glass and frame?
Argon or krypton - is Argon gas better than Krypton because Krypton is denser and will settle in the glass pack? Different salesmen give me different answers.

I’ve been searching the web for an independent, unbiased source of information, and you may be it. Where do you get your knowledge on fenestration?

Thanks. Any input would be helpful and greatly appreciated.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

You have obviously had too many full of BS salesmen in your home that will say anything for a sale.
To answer your questions, first, what is in the frame, whether steel reinforced, foam filled, or hollow air filled pockets does not matter. Your total window U-value will not change noticably between all the frame types. Choose the window you like.

As far as your U value question, the U-factor on the window ratings is a total window value.

Krypton will NOT settle. If the unit is 99% filled, how could it settle? It cannot settle any more than water would if it was filled with that. Ridiculous statement by them.

The Good Housekeeping seal is a mixed bag. You do have to earn it, but it does not carry the same clout as it carried with our parents and grandparents.

Usually, an R-factor is only used by pros as a reference for people as to center of glass insulation value. Most window companies use the entire window U value as a measurement of the windows total insulation value. { FYI, 1 divided by U-value = R-value.}

I am a Schuco dealer, as well as Gorell and many others. I became a Schuco dealer a few months ago after I heard about it being talked about on this site and others. I found it to be the best all around window I have ever seen since I started working in this business in 1975. The Schuco's energy efficiency combined with it's features and wonderful fit and finish make it a great premium window that would serve you well.

Pick the window YOU like and find to be the best value. I just am throwing in my 2 cents as far as what I like. Good luck with your decision, and if you have any more questions, I'd be glad to help.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: maj (---.biz.rr.com)
Date:   

Lots of info here... wow. Last night we had a FJB Associates sales rep with us (in NYS) selling Schuco Insul-Sash windows. He ended up quoting us a figure of $3154 for four DH DG LoE2 Krypton, installed. He said Lifetime Warranty on window and installation. Do these specs sound correct for the model I mentioned? Also, is this price reasonable?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: maj (---.biz.rr.com)
Date:   

Sorry that I'm posting this again, but time is of the essence and I thought it might get noticed here.

Lots of info here... wow. Last night we had a FJB Associates sales rep with us (in NYS) selling Schuco Insul-Sash windows. He ended up quoting us a figure of $3154 for four DH DG LoE2 Krypton, installed. He said Lifetime Warranty on window and installation. Do these specs sound correct for the model I mentioned? Also, is this price reasonable?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: maj (---.biz.rr.com)
Date:   

Forgot to mention (maybe Fenestration Expert or others very knowledgeable could help), the rep claimed that this figure I gave above was 5% above cost. Now I know that probably means, manufacturing, shipping/delivery, installation, his pay, etc. But I have a hard time believing that claim. Does it sound plausible to you?


 

 Schuco Windows for My Home

Author: maj (---.biz.rr.com)
Date:   

Sorry that I'm posting this again, but time is of the essence and I thought it might get sooner if it showed up in a couple of places.

Lots of info here... wow! Last night we had a FJB Associates sales rep with us (in NYS) selling Schuco Insul-Sash windows. He ended up quoting us a figure of $3154 for four DH DG LoE2 Krypton, installed. He said Lifetime Warranty on windows and installation. Do these specs sound correct for the model I mentioned? Does this price sound reasonable?

I should also mention that th rep claimed that this figure I gave above was 5% above cost. Now I know that "cost" probably includes manufacturing, shipping/delivery, installation, his pay, etc. But, I have a hard time believing that claim. Does it sound plausible to you?

Thanks in advance. It would be great to get a response to this today.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Art (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Seems to me that if a company was only making 5% or roughly about $175.00 for a job like this they'd shortly be out of business. Do NOT believe this figure.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

maj

Feel free to email be if you like. I'll help if I can.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Contractor (---.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
Date:   

FenEx....I was thinking about either Silverline or Schuco for my own home. Do you think Schuco is really any better? After all, aren't they all about the same?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Silverline and Schuco are not even close. Entirely different classes of quality and worlds apart in performance. That's like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari because they are both cars.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Bob (160.94.150.---)
Date:   

I am looking at 4 48x60 inch Schuco 4000 windows. What should I expect to pay?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: nm (---.hevanet.com)
Date:   

Don't pay more than $3200. for all 4 completely installed. They will come down if you work at it.




 

 quote on schuco/insul-sash windows

Author: fg (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

19,000 for 18 windows 34x74 is this ok ??


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Art (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Sounds pretty pricey - would they be Sears or Andersen?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: tundraguyin NY (---.nas3.roc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date:   

>I just purchased 8 Schuco 4000 Series windows from a company in Kentucky at ~$440.00 each. I'm curious if I got a good deal or not.

depends on the size and style..... although if I could get 16 - Shuco 4000, 30" x 53" double hungs for $440 each I'd be on my way to Kentucky to pick them up and do the installation myself. At that price I wouldn't even mind not getting a warranty.

In my opinion Shuco's are the best replacement window I have seen.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

As I have stated many times before, The individual Schuco dealers set their own sale prices. Alot depends on their location, type and size of windows, difficulty of installation, overhead and unfortunatly on occasion... greed.


FG: 19k for 18 windows (double hungs) is excessive if they are relatively standard sizes with standard installation. What are the style, sizes and circumstances? For instance, for a standard double hung, $1,000+ is excessive, but for a 3-lite slider, 1,200 to 1,500 is reasonable. $$$ per number of windows really doesn't give enough info.


TundraguyinNY: If the $440 price includes installation, I'd be worried about the quality of the install. That price is alarmingly low for the product.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rick (---.z108-101-207.customer.algx.net)
Date:   

I live in Northern Virginia, just outside of DC. Had a Schuco rep. out over the weekend and got a quote of $10,850 for 17 Series 4000 windows. All windows are standard sizes approximately 34X51 and 34x64. Also quoted an extra $640 to make the window over the kitchen sink a garden window, and $1,800 for an 8ft slider in the walkout basement. Rep stated he wanted to use my home as a "showcase home" and as result was giving me a "great price" in exchange for the marketing.

Any thoughts on the pricing?? Should I try to come down some?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Although I don't personally agree with the marketing... that is a great price. If the installer's refs check out and you are comfortable... pounce on it. Actually sounds low.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Jeannie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Help!! We have been inundated with replacement window information! There seems to be some knowledgeable people on this board so I would like to post a few questions:
1ST. I live in NE Ohio, I first looked at Polaris and Vista replacement windows. Can you give me your opinions on these products
2ND. I recently had an estimate from a Schuco representative (who by the way told of all the windows he replaced with Schuco windows; in California). For 10 DH windows, 1 picture, and a 6' Bay we were quoted a price of $14,000. (after a 25% discount of course) does this sound fair. These are all standard size windows, they are for woodgrain interiors, and grids in all except the picture window.
3RD. Can you recommend a Schuco dealer in the Youngstown, Ohio area

We would really appreciate any info that you could provide.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: george (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

i don't think they have schuco windows in calif.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Rick (---.z108-101-207.customer.algx.net)
Date:   

FenEx:

See my previous message on 9.27.04 regarding quote fpr 17 Schuco windows. Quote was $10,850 plus $640 to make one a garden window and $1,800 for an 8 foot slider for the basement. Total $13,290.

Yoou stated it seemed like a good price actually low.

I called 5 references and all were very good. Pleased with the windows, and more importantly pleased with the installation.

Being a person who likes to negotiate I said I only had $9,000 available. The Rep (Who is the VP of the Co.) Said he could apply $1,600 of Co-Op dollars (money given by Schuco for advertisng etc...) to my job lowering the oveerall price to $11,690.

I told him I'd think about it. Called a few days later and said all I had was the $9,000. He said he couldn't come any lower. I did not return his calls over the weekend or yesterday.

I called today and said I could do $10,000. He checked and said he had enough in his co-op budget and told me we had a deal.

Am I missing something or I am I getting an incredible deal. Anything I should be skeptical of---- 16 windows, 1 garden, and 1 8foot slider installed for $10,000??????


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: tin man (---.ptld.qwest.net)
Date:   

If the salesman sold it to you I assure you he made money. Count on it.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Rick

Overall dollars sound Ok... but I have no information of install. I think the sales technique sucks to be honest. Great product... research the dealer heavily. All I can offer. Good Luck.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: santo (---.182.252.64.snet.net)
Date:   

I'm looking to replace 23 windows in my multi-family house and got a quote for Schuco triple pane/krypton filled with all the bells & whistles windows for just over 18K. The quote includes installation, warranties, etc. The installers have a pretty good record according to the Connecticut BBB.

My questions are:
1. Is that a fair estimate? (The initial quote was 25K)There are some marketing twists attached to the new quote.

2. Are Insul-Sash Premium Reinforced Vinyl windows the same as the Schuco product?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Cheryl Mita (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

For Window4U: I just went to a Home Fair and saw the Schuco windows and am interested in getting a quote from you based on the above e-mails. Currently Siding-1/Windows-1, will be coming out to give me an estimate. Based on a few comments there are issues with them, so now I am a little concerned. What are the problems with their service?

Could you tell me if you would come out to Arlington Heights, IL?

Any info would be greatly appreciated!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Cheryl Mita (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

Window4U-Not sure if you will see my other posting.

Do you go out to Arlington Heights, IL? If so, how would I contact you?




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Art (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Cheryl -

Just in case Dave (Window4U) doesn't see your post, his email address is:

Window4u@insightbb.com


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Cheryl Mita (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

Thanks, Art!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: CherylO (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Just had the salesman out from Schuco. I had some questions. From the sales material, I got the impression that the triple-pane is an option. Is there a double-pane window?

Also, we are thinking about replacing 8 DH windows with casement. The cost difference he quoted was about double. Does that sound right?

How does Schuco compare with Simonton windows?

This is a great board! Thanks for all the great information.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: ThomasJCook (208.240.102.---)
Date:   

Another Schuco quote for comparison and review:

Last night I signed a contract with FJB for $20,232 for 26 standard sized premium vinyl Series 4000 Schuco windows. 24 double hung model 1000's and 2 slider model 2000's. This comes out to about $780/window installed which seems comparable to other quotes on this BB. FJB has repeatedly told me that the installer will be an FJB employee and not an independent contractor so any future warranty issues (hardware or installation) will be handled by FJB.

From reading this and other websites I am content that the windows are top quality but I am still concerned about some of their sales tactics and guarantees.

Specifically their 50% energy consumption guarantee? The salesman showed me a nicely printed document that guaranteed a 50% reduction in energy costs. The guarantee was backed by a claim that they would pay me the difference if I did not see at least a 50% reduction. Has anyone else been given this guarantee? We live in western New York state and with this as a backup the windows would seem to pay for themselves in about 7 years.

Also - my contract has a 3 day cancellation period which I am thinking of exercising in order to have some more time to do additional research and get a little more comfortable with spending >$20K on windows. Has anyone else attempted to exercise the cancellation option? Again the salesman stated that I could just call him or FJB to cancel but the Notice of Cancellation on the contract states that I need to deliver a signed and dated copy of the cancellation notice or a telegram to them in order to exercise this option. Of course this is probably state mandated language so maybe a phone call is ok but with $20k at stake I want to be sure I am not on the hook if I change my mind after doing additional research.

Comments?

Thanks-
TJC




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Art (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Cheryl -

I sold Simonton through Sears for a short time. Simonton's top end window is a very good mid-range window - indeed, something to be proud of if one has them. Simonton is definitely one of the better manufacturers around.

Schuco vs. Simonton? Nothing to talk about. That's why I went with Schuco.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: cin (---.boston.tufts.edu)
Date:   

Hi Colin. I live in a condo in Hull Mass, and NE Sash is doing our windows. I think you must have been mis-informed!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Donna Doolin (---.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date:   

We are building a sunroom in central Illinois. Looking for the best window for a reasonable price. Have looked at Andersen and Pella ThermaStar. Pretty sure we would like an all vinyl window, but not totally decided as yet. We need to get them ordered as the work has already begun. Were set on ThermaStar, but have heard negative reports. Saw some comments on the Schuco Windows, but do not know of a dealership to go through in Central Illinois.
Do you have any direction on this?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

The Schuco dealer for Central Illinois is Promax. 1-217-424-8900... ask for David.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Kevin Davis (---.in-indianap0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date:   

Please tell me what you know re K-Designers. I am considering working for them.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Kevin Davis (---.in-indianap0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date:   

Please tell me what you know re K-designers. I am considering working for them


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: nvrmnd (---.ip.mcleodusa.net)
Date:   

B.S.!!!!! I have worked for a schuco dealership for several years now and not one of my installers have ever seen a Schuco rep. Much less, a trainer!! I've really been quite impressed with the knowledge that the two of you have been throwing out there. What's your commission? This site should not be used as a BS sales pitch. So, please let's keep it honest.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Really. What Schuco dealership do you work for?
I'd like to verify your claims from Schuco, because we got the training.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

I happen to know several dealerships personally... ALL were trained from Schuco reps and techs in classroom and in the field. In addition... Schuco doesn't pay me a commission... I don't work for them.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: mj01089 (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

I just had a FJB sales person pitch me on Schuco windows. After spending most of three hours with this sales person we were very impressed with product but very suspicious of pricing. Details 3 windows 36X26,12 44X34 and 1 picture with center 48X51 & two sides 48X18 this was to be replaced with sliding unit.The new windows are double pane with Krypton don't know series number.Price was 20,147 that was suppsod to be 25% off MSRP. If I bought now I could get another 10%. When I balked was asked what price I wanted to pay I said 50% off and after some double talk was asked if they could get that price would I buy right now. That when I said goodnight. I do not like such pricing games as someone said in earllier post as bad as buying a matrress which I am also in process of studing.What is fair pricing for these windows I live in western Massachusetts.
Thanks
Mike


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

I just don't know why dealers (of all brands) still try and sell this way with false drops, "buy tonight" deals, and high pressure. I don't use any of these tactics and still end up putting in windows on almost every bid I give because of the quality of the Schuco windows I show and the professionalism of my company in the way it treats customers.
True window professionals should be pleasant to do business with. If they are confident in the value of their products, and their ability to provide their customers with great service, then they should be confident enough not to play pricing games to get you to buy before you are ready.
I know when I bring my vehicle in for service, I really appreciate someone who treats me with respect, and deals with me on an honest level. And quite frankly I don't mind paying a little extra to deal with a real professional I feel I can trust to look out for my best interests instead of trying to rip me off. I'm sure that is what window shoppers are wishing for as well.
Come on you other dealers, straighten up your sales departments and become professional window companies, not just professional sales organizations. Your reputations and profits will rise when you give the buying public what they really want.....respect and professionalism.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Linda G. (---.jax.bellsouth.net)
Date:   

I came across this site while researching replacement windows. I saw a demonstration of the Schuco window yesterday at a showroom and was very impressed--probably to the point of ordering--but am very concerned with the price that I was given as a general rule of thumb, especially now that I've reviewed the great information from these posts. I have LOTS of windows--a total of 50 to be exact--at least half of which are 6' tall! So, I know I'm talking LOTS of money--I just want to be as economical as possible with this venture. Is there anyone on line that would be willing to give me a idea of a range of pricing that I should expect for this window? I have all the sizes of the existing windows.

Another question--Many of the window openings are filled with multiple windows installed side by side. I have seen references to "slider" windows on this site--is that a window that would possible fill some of these openings with a single window?

I would appreciate any information and/or help you guys could give a floundering female trying to research/buy something they know very little about. Thanks!




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: saratoga (---.156.141.164.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net)
Date:   

Exactly my predicament! We had the Shuco rep here last night. I was convinced of the quality, but one huge snag -- I like double casement, but the price Shuco charges for that style is prohibitive.

We liked the slider concept in our Bathroom (enlarging to 26" h) but wanted either a garden window (again cost prohibitive) above the kitchen sink, or stay with casements.

My husband and I have been researching all the hot features and about 4 brands. Had never heard of Shuco til we started watching this board.

This thread was funny to read through, except that WE have to make a decision ourselves, so it's also serious.

Dawn


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Jo Ann Hampton (---.lax.untd.com)
Date:   

This is my second attempt to reach you through email.

I had A&J Reliable, our local NYS contractor who is a Schuco dealer, come to my home in August to give me an estimate. AFter not hearing from them for a full month, I called and was promised an estimate.

It is now 6 weeks after that second call and I still don't have an estimate. What I do have is a form letter telling me the Schuco prices are rising, and I should hurry to get in my order!

Do you have another local dealer I can deal with? I don't A&J is interested or able to fulfill their promise of a quote and subsequent job completion.

My phone number is 845 357 6225. Please call or email me asap.

Jo Ann Hampton
87 Cherry lane
Airmont, NY 10952

Fenestration Expert wrote:

> If you tell me the state you live in, I can find out who your
> local rep is and let you know. Typically, the Schuco regional
> reps deal directly with the dealerships only, but they will
> absolutely support their product.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Jo Ann Hampton (---.lax.untd.com)
Date:   

I live in Rockland County, New York State.

My zip code is 10952, Airmont NY.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Jo Ann

I haven't recieved any emails. I'll see what I can do to help find out what happened.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: MC (---.nrockv01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

Rick,

If it is possible that you can give me the name and phone # of the dealer who would install Schuco windows for you. I could not find any dealer in Montgorery county. Thanks.

MC


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rob (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date:   

Some time back, someone noted that Schuco has an unsatisfactory record with the Better Business Bureau (for not responding in a timely manner and an unresolved complaint).

As someone considering spending a lot of money on some windows, that is a very disconcerting bit of news. A few people regularly speak highly of Schuco on this discussion board--so there is a significant gap between their view and the experience of the BBB.

I'd be interested in hearing why Schuco has an unsatisfactory rating--that is certainly NOT something I expected to find.

Also, I'm interested in a bit more detail on the history of Schuco. They only appear to have been in the US since about 1997??

Statements on this list have mentioned an affiliation with Mercedes Benz--but I was unable to find enough information on the Schuco site to determine the nature of the relationship (it appeared to only be that Schuco sponsors a Mercedes Benz race team??). Anyone have any details on this?

Finally, Schuco appears to be a very large building products firm from Germany. I didn't see anything obvious on the corporate site that mentioned windows as a major part of the corporation. The company has been around for a while (since 1951, I believe)--but that is not really a long time for a European company, considering the centuries of history in the region. I'm interested in how long they've been making windows anywhere--and how long they've been doing so in the US.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Rob

I'll try to respond to your concerns with the information I have.

The unresolved BBB complaint (1) has nothing to do with Schuco product. When Schuco purchased the old Homecraft manufacturing plant in CT, they also agreed to a temporary Limited Partnership with the existing operations of Homecraft. At the time, Homecraft had retail installation stores that provided other services such as roofing and siding etc. The complaint was attached to the new owners... Schuco. It was not even pertaining to windows, let alone Schuco.

They have been around since 1951 and entered the US market about 6 years ago after tremendous success in 45 other countries (recently heard it was nearing 50). Schuco's corporate partnership with Mercedes-Benz goes far beyond joint partnership of the race team. Mercedes uses Schuco's galzing technology in the automotive glass (S- series) and they share some manufacuring technology and engineering. All corporately owned Mercedes offices utilize the performance of Schuco windows.

The new Schuco website is a conversion of the European commercial site. It is only a beginning footprint as they are rebuilding it as we speak for the residential US market. I guess you have a point about them only being 53 years old, but in that time they have achieved market shares of up to 50% in some areas of Europe due to their exceptional products. I am not sure that will be possible in the states but they will definately achieve a substantial presence here. Hope this helped.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: installer (---.ptld.qwest.net)
Date:   

Schuco has a VERY small presence in the US. Only 1 factory with 109 employees. Their sales total substantially less than one tenth of one percent of the window sold last year. There are nearly 300 window manufactures working out of approximately 700 window factories in the US. So you can see that the responders on this board have over promoted this company. Most of the Schuco worldwide activity is in large fenestration projects like high rise and commercial skyscrapers. Why this one individual keeps promoting this company as the worlds largest (see the first entry on this string) is anybodies guess. The best advice I can give you on buying windows is to buy local and develop relationships with the factory that is making your windows in addition to working with your dealer and installers.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Installer

Interesting post. That one factory is the most state-of-the art window plant in existance (see CNN, MSNBC, DWM articles). Their technology allows them to provide a better product with lower overhead (more bang for any buck)... and you see that as a bad thing? Their sales last year exceeded any window manufacturer globally... what are you reading? If you meant US sales... that's because they are new to the states. Did you hear of Dell computers or Lexus autos 10 years ago???... but you know them very well now huh? Welcome to today.

There are over 700 companies pumping out vinyl windows... all the more reason for some individuals to take the time to help educate consumers. As for your reference to one individual posting them... you should look again. Numerous dealers and countless homeowners have posted successful stories about the products.. helping many others to become aware of better available windows.

Schuco is local... made in CT with the backing of billions to warranty product. They also only work with exclusive dealers and installers to protect the consumer's overall investment and eliminate liability confusion.

So "Installer"... get to the product.Who makes a better vinyl window than Schuco? Please include fit/finish, performance, manufacturer stability, consumer response, etc. I don't work for Schuco... but I back the product because it is the best I have come across. Educate me... who's is better? Awaiting a response.


FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wam (---.rtr0-mbg.midtel.net)
Date:   

Can anyone tell me the difference between the Schuco 1000 double hung and the Schuco 4000? We are told that Schuco makes a two-glass window and a three glass window, with the three glass being more heat efficient. Is that true? Does anyone know the price difference on these two windows (2 vs 3 glass)?

WAM


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: wam (---.rtr0-mbg.midtel.net)
Date:   

We were just given a quote of $8,275. for Schuco windows: 7 ea. #1000 double hung, double low e windows and 1 ea. #2100 S/2 slider to be "double glass, kryton, double low E". After reading this chat room info from all you guys, I think that we are being charged way too much ($1,034. a piece, installed). Can anyone shed any light on this? What is standard size? 7 of our windows are roughly 61" X 32". The eighth one is the slider. This price is supposed to be a great discount because the salesman is supposedly tacking our window order onto that of a commercial job being done near here.

WAM

Post Edited (11-08-04 16:07)


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: whocares (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

Where do you live? I'm gonna move my business there if can get away with that kind of robbery. I sell my schuco 4000 for around $575.00 max installed with capping.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: whocares (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

I'm sure he's talking about the trim on Schuco windows such as pictures and transoms and such. These windows are of excellent quality, I highly recommend them!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: whocares (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

Well I am not sure as my knowledge of windows is quite limited, but if you need expert advice I would highly recommend contacting FenEx at; FenEx@optonline.net and he can steer you in the right direction.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: In Need (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

How do I get a hold of this dealer in the chicagoland area? Since you're telling us not to go to Siding-1 Windows-1. I'd like an estimate.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

For any of you wondering what's going on, I believe these last 4 posts are from someone from Siding-1/Windows1 that has a bone to pick with FenEx since he does not recommend them. Notice the NIU.edu email address which is Northern Illinois. The last post is a different email address but from the same server address. (Same person). I'll be forwarding your posts to corporate. I'm sure they will be excited to see you attacking Schuco and also attacking window experts on this site who happen to believe Schuco is a great product and like to talk about the product when asked.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

In Need

I have never told anyone not to go to any dealer. There are a few that I will not personally recommend... there is a difference. You may want to use the "Request a Quote" option at the top of this site page to help you find a dealer in your area. Good Luck.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: nvrmnd (---.ip.mcleodusa.net)
Date:   

Schuco is indeed the best window out there, hands down. However, just like anything they do have thier querks. Such as, the different tans and the cust. service issues. I just believe in being honest here and let the window itself and the dealer's do the "selling".


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Art (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

In Need -

I would suggest that you contact Dave at ProMax. They are the other Schuco dealer that can handle Northern Illinois. They sold me a houseful of Schuco windows and I'm quite pleased with not just the quality of the windows but also with the superb installation.

Dave can be reached at 217-424-8900. He's a no pressure guy, handles other top name brands and can point out the strengths and weaknesses of just about all of them.

Best of luck.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: MC (69.140.128.---)
Date:   

I need the the name and phone # of Schuco dealer or installer in Washington DC area. Please help!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (216.159.229.---)
Date:   

To the poster calling himself "Outing fx:",
I am, and have always been annoyed AND disgusted with your posts.
Whether you post by the name "Anon", or any of the other of dozens of aliases you cowardly hide behind, one thing remains constant. You are an ASS that only posts to disrupt the learning process of homeowners on this site and to insult and jab those who try to help people make educated decisions. I've called you out on several occasions, even calling you a "cyberterrorist" which I think is very fitting,.....yet you still continue to stir up trouble and insult people on these sites.
I think you are a coward, and I really don't think you have either the intellect or knowledge to post a coherent post on any of these sites challenging ANY of us on our knowledge of this business. I'm sure most people who frequent these sites wish you would just GO AWAY.
My apologies to those of you who are new to this site for having to put up with this garbage.
Let's please stop this useless crap and start helping people with their questions, which is why most of us pros donate dozens of our offtime hours per month to do.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: george (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

well put window4u. i didnt read outingfx put his name behind his name calling.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Lee (---.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)
Date:   

How many centuries would you expect a vinyl window company to have been in business for?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Lisa (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Vera- I'm curious. I live on Long Island too, which compnay did you go w/for your windows. King Quality is coming tomorrow & I have Queens Screens-they sell Atrium windows, coming next week. i was going to call Grover, but thanks to your email I won't bother. Thanks.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: ChrisC (---.aig.com)
Date:   

Lisa,

King Quality came out over 3 weeks ago and gave my parents an estimate for Schuco windows...over $5000 highter then any of the others. The guy said he would talk to his boss on price and call them....still waiting. Needless to say if they are non-responsive now...wait until they get your money.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rama (---.central.biz.rr.com)
Date:   

Hi, I live in Columbus, Ohio. I have to replace 14windows (40" X 50"). I have got quote from Windowworld and Empire windows for $350 per window installed. These will have low E glass, Argon and capping etc. Any review of experience with these windows will be appreciated. If these are not OK then for Ohio which windows are recommended for the cheap and best windows.

Thanks in advance
Rama


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: june (209.74.96.---)
Date:   

Hi FenEx,

I am interested in Schuco windows and doors. I am in Southern California. Could tell me do they have good dealer here?




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Unfortunately, they are not west of the rockies yet.

I know there are both homeowners and windows pros on this site who have never seen a Schuco Window, so I have put a few comparison photos on my second website (which has not been professionally built yet, so please excuse the non-existant design).
Their are many more features to the window than shown, like the TPS seals, triple low-e super insulated glass, triple weatherstripping everywhere, and steel reinforcement, but this may be helpful in seeing what they look like.

http://www.schuco-windows.com/pages/8/index.htm


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: megdgem (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

Schuco 4000 windows.
Have just discovered this site and it is great. My hushand and I are looking to stall 10 6/6 double hung windows and from reading all the posting on the site. I would like to find a dealer for these windows so we can get a bid on this job. So far I can only find that New England Sash is the only distibutor in my area (I outside of Boston, MA) but I have had friends who had a terrible experience with them. Pushing sales people, moving price quotes (starts high then magically drops after strong negative reaction to first high quote) bad customer service.
I am looking for another dealer in my area that can give us a reasonable quote without all the games and good service. I wish window4u was in my area :-).

Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
Many thanks.

MEG


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Megdgem

I am willing to help you find a dealer that you can trust for the Schuco product. I helped connect Window4U with many, many grateful homeowners with great products AND SERVICE in the Midwest. I am on the East coast and have the same desire here. I'll do what I can. Email me if you like.


FenEx@optonline.net


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Mike B (198.151.41.---)
Date:   

Windows4u -

Fantastic idea to put the photos online for people to see...If somebody is doing extensive research like I am, you ahve so many window and window installers flying through your home it is impossible to keep track of each one and remember the features that you liked from each.

I was saying to my wife that I wish I could have a sample window from every brand I was considering side by side so I could do a direct comparison, and the photos are as close as I'm going to be able to get.

Thanks!!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: megdgem (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

Fenex,
Thanks very much for your offer. I will email shortly.

Regards,
Megdgem


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: megdgem (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

Hello all,
The Schuco Representative just left our house and I have to say that it is a wonderful window. First rate all the rate between the constuction, the seals, the easy clean glass. The people on the board are correct --this is the best vinal replacement window I have seen--hands down. It is (understandly) the highest priced window I have see - about twice the cost of the Ideal Custom Weld II window and the Alside Ultra Max. I do realize that these windows are not in the same league as Schuco but the pricing for the project is 70% higher than the higest bid I received for the job at my house. The total cost for my job 10 double hung windows/ 6/6 contour style grides, with brown cladding on the outside-fully installed is $8500 or $850 a unit. The window is the Corona 4000. We live near Boston, MA. Is this a fair price?
I still have concerns about the dealer based but this dealer is the only one that has rights to sell in New England and New York. We love the windows but these are out of our price range. The salesperson indicated that since we live on a very busy street (on a rotary) that had nothing to lose by making a counter offer of $7000 for the whole deal for purposes of marketing etc then it would be up to his bosses to accept or decline. I would appreciate any thoughts or guidance on this.
By the way, thanks again to Fenex for offering to help me. I did an email to FenEx yesterday to follow up his kind offer.
Regards,
MEG


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Meg

I'll respond in more detail in a return email shortly... but I thought I'd touch on a few things for the benefit of the forum. I had a feeling you would love the product... everyone does when they get to see the quality in person. Unfortunately, Boston is one of the most expensive markets to do business in. The dealer is incorrect about New York though. There is a very reputable Schuco dealer (A&J) that covers many areas of the state as well as parts of CT and NJ and a few other areas. There is even another Schuco dealer that handles the Long Island area.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: jack c. (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Want to purchase Schuco but am afraid of what I've been hearing about the Boston area dealer. Any suggestions?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: ken (---.artesyn.com)
Date:   

Just curious. In the interest of full disclosure do you get any compensations or honorariums from Schuco? Are the windows that good?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

As a Schuco dealer, and also as someone "in the know", I can answer that. FenEx has never received a dime from Schuco for all the good things he has pointed out to the public about their great windows.
Personally, I think they should give him a brand new Mercedes "Schuco-mobile" and a vacation to the mayan riviera in appreciation, but that's just my opinion
............or they could make him exectutive vice president in charge of window forum responses and give him a 6 digit salary. That would be good too.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

LMAO!!!! Why didn't I know you before I started doing this!!! You could have gotten me a better deal !!!! But... to give full disclosure , they did give me two Schuco pens, a hat and a mousepad when I toured the plant.


 

 single vs double hung window

Author: patricia A murray (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

We moved into a modest 4-year-old ranch-style house, and we're on a limited budget. All the windows (six identically sized plus one smaller window in the kitchen) are really nice vinyl windows but they have no screens. We need screens because it gets mighty hot here in NC. The portable adjustable screens that we're currently using aren't working out--bugs are still able to get into the house. Would it be a waste of money to replace these windows or is there a practical way to somehow add screens to the windows we have?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: David (---.jax.bellsouth.net)
Date:   

Anyone know of a Schuco Dealer around northeast Florida near Jacksonville?


 

 Pricing

Author: Todd (---.226.123.213.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net)
Date:   

What type of range should I expect for cash purchase and installation of 11 Schuco DH windows with 1/2 screens, the best 3 pane model and the better 2 pane?
I am sold on their quality but wondering about the price.
Thanks in advance.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Todd

Quoting prices on the net is tough. So much depends on your area and your installation. From the dealers I know, an average price for the Schuco triple pane DH installed with capping is about $650-$750. Quantity and the time of year can work to your advantage too. Good Luck... hope this helps a little.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Todd (---.128.40.162.ip.alltel.net)
Date:   

Thanks it does help, what type of winter break is typical.
Thanks,
Todd


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: mike (---.dnvr.qwest.net)
Date:   

Hey Fen Ex:

I was concerned about the reply to the condensation. Although I don't live with humidity (Colorado) or add moisture to my air (humidifier), I was bothered by the suggestion to crack the "duette" to allow the air to circulate (cold air convecting downward on inner surface). This will waste energy--both by the convective cooling and by the radiation through (whatever type) the glass. The window is cold for some reason, and the air wet. a better remedy is find out why (maybe the window is not performing, or it is REALLY cold outside)?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Steve (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

I was hoping to find a dealer for Schuco Windows in the Louisville, KY area. I understand these are good windows. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Mike

What reply to condensation are you referring to? Your post is unclear.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Tim Lawson (---.com)
Date:   

Can someone explain this to me. I checked out Schuco windows at BBB at is says "This company is reportedly no longer in business. The phones have been disconnected and mail has been returned. If you have an unresolved dispute with the company, you may wish to seek legal advice or contact the following agency for assistance.

Attorney General Consumer Protection Division
100 W. Randolph St.
Chicago, IL 60601 (312)814-3580

It's always nice to see that the customer service is top notch at Schuco when they don't return email, calls or warranty requests.

Tim


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Schuco is a factory. It makes vinyl windows.
The company you looked up was an independent owned window, siding and roofing contractor, not Schuco-USA.
They have no more right to be slandered by you than does any manufacturer who's customers go out of business. Should Simonton be held responsible and slammed on the internet if Joe's Window and Siding goes out of business, just because old Joe happened to install Simonton windows for his customers? I don't think so.
As a dealer, I could call myself "Illinois Schuco" if I choose, but that doesn't mean Schuco owns my company or has a thing to do with my business or my finances, nor should they be held responsible if I would go out of business.
Please stop your repeat posting of this.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

It should also be noted that this dealer who closed shop has NO complaints with the BBB.
Also, if any warranty problems should ever arise, Schuco-USA still takes care of this company's customers under the lifetime warranty.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Cheri (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date:   

Two days ago we had a Schuco Rep out to our house. We spent 4 hours going over everything and we were impressed with the windows themselves. However what we were not impressed with was the Dealer FJB Associates. I've done some research in the last two days on them and the results of that as well as the run around we received and the outrageous price quoted us we're cancelling our order. We still like the windows and would like to find the name and number of a more reputable dealer for Schuco in our area. We live in the Capital District (Albany, Saratoga) area of upstate NY. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

I just replied to you directly via email. Good shopping!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Larry Southwick (---.bflony.adelphia.net)
Date:   

I had a salesman visit on Monday Dec. 20 who was selling Schuco windows, However, his spiel and the fact that he refused to leave me his offer (although on the phone I was told the offer would be good for a year) or anything else in writing. He wanted $25,000 + for 16 windows and a patio door. He offered a $2,000 discount for immediate signing - without presenting anything in writing. His guarantee of reducing heating costs by half was, in fact, limited to $500 and, apparently, only for the first year.

The whole thing left a bad taste in our mouths. It made us wonder if Schuco condones this behavior and, if so, why we should trust anything they say.

Not so incidentally, the figures he used to justify his price were dramatically inflated and he double counted the cost savings and a wildly inflated increase in house value.

He said he was representing some Schuco dealer from Worcester, MA.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: gregory c. sykes (---.loganet.net)
Date:   

I had a Schuco dealer give me price on seven
casement windows. one triple casemnt, five
double casements and one single casement windows
all windows with interior laminate, triple pane,
krypton gas filled low-e glass,fold down handles
and a liftime warranty,transferable three of these windows to have flat colonial grids, white
exterior vinyl,interior laminate.two windows with 8 lites one window with 6 lites Install
included removel of existing casements,"pocket"
install new windows, seal openings, wrap
exterior with aluminum haul away and clean up.
total price $9161.14 After reading all info
on this board I've come to the conclusion
that Schuco makes the best window bar none ;
however at $1308.00 per window the dealer has the right to exploit his advantage to charge
the consumer anyprice he wants because of
limited availability. Is this a fair price or
am I paranoid


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Larry and Greg

The numbers are high in both cases. What dealers gave the quotes? I think I already know but share it with the readers anyway if you will.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Dave (---.57.121.49.mpowercom.net)
Date:   

We just became a certified dealer for Schuco after many months of investigating window manufacturers. We are a manufacturer of gutter caps and needed the best window for our customers. We are in Naperville, Il and will come to Arlington Heights if you still need help.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: alan beard (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date:   

saw your e-mail about schuco replacement windows.I also live in the dc area.can you give me the name of your contractor and any feedback about the windows and the installation of the windows.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: greg (---.loganet.net)
Date:   

The dealer was Omaha Door & window out of
Omaha NE. this dealer only warrants their install for one year, is this unusual? Schuco
dealer lifetime warranty on the windows only a
year on install seems strange. Anyway I really
appreciate your thoughts and time you spend on
this board,frankly I don't know how you do it.
If you could give me the name of another Schuco
dealer would help I hate to give up on this fine
product Thanks Again....


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Greg, I have contacted Omaha Door and Window on your behalf and have spoken to the head of sales regarding your job. He is very interested in working with you on the labor warranty and to earn your business.
All I had to give them is your email address and first name, so I hope that is enough for them to contact you.
From what I have heard second-hand, it sounds like this is an exceptionally well run and professional company to do business with.

http://www.omahadoor.com/our_company.htm


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Greg, I just tried to email you and your email address seems not to be valid. Did you make a mistake in typing it?


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Tom (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date:   

Hello Rick:

I also live in the Virginia DC suburbs, and will be getting a price quote for Schuco windows from Nu View of Clifton this Tuesday, 06 Jan. I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me who you purchased your windows from. Was it Nu View? I found one other distributor in Springfield, but haven't followed up with any of the contractors they deal with. Based on the forum messages, you indeed got a great price on your windows. Based on my phone conversation with the Nu View rep (the old one hour presentation and we want your wife present routine), I am expecting the standard absurdly high price with bogus instant discount offer if I sign a contract then. I would like to use your purchase as a reality check - so, whatever info you feel comfortable disclosing, would be great!

Thanks,

TMW


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: gregory c. sykes (---.loganet.net)
Date:   


To Window4U(IL),

haven"t noticed any problems with my
E-Mail try this greg@loganet.net I appreciate any and all input from you and FenEx.I am confident I can move ahead with my Schuco purchase with a fair price and expert install asap. Thanks Again!!!


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Rick (---.reston01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

Tom in Northern VA: E-mail me at TheKehls@Comast.net & I'll be able to help you out.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Greg

Let me know if you need additional aid. FenEx@optonline.net


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Rick (---.reston01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

FenEx:

Installer just left my house after installing 16 DH Schuco Corona 4000 windows. Will be back tomorrow for 8 foot slider and garden window. I already have a problem with the DH windows. The mechanism that prevents the window from opening more than 3 or 4 inches when engaged, seems to engage on several windows in the coarse of opening and closing the window, thus preventing the window from closing. In order to close it I have to tilt the window in disengage the mechanism, tilt the window back in and close the window.

What needs to be done?

Thanks
Rick


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Rick

The Schuco windows are designed with very low tolerances. Your installer can make simple adjustments to eliminate the sashes contacting the vent latches. As you stated, they just started... allow them to finish the job and mention your concerns in the process.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rick (---.reston01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

Thanks Fenex:

I was hoping there was an easy solution. After reading everything here and a little advice from you I was sure I was getting the best there is. When I noticed the problem with a few of the windows I started to get disappointed. I'll let them finish their job and mention my concern.

Alsp what's the deal with cleaning the windows. I thought there was some selling point there too? I thought you didn't have to hold the bottom sash while tilting the top one in but I must have remembered incorrectly.

Thanks Again!!!
Rick


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Rick

Schuco does not offer self-cleaning glass... the fact is, no one does. There are glass surface coatings that help a little... but they are NOT self cleaning.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: richard (66.160.127.---)
Date:   

Rick,
The vent latches will pop out sometimes because when opening the window,most people open & close the windows by lifting at the meeting rail which will put pressure on the interlock which makes it come in contact the the vent latches.try using the lift handles,it should solve the problem.The bottom sash can be opened about 6 inches then tilt it out then let it rest against the stool so you do not have to hold it while cleaning the upper sash.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Rick

Please see my previous posts... and then consider this one. Although I have personally put Schuco products on these Internet Maps, I am losing patience with the blame being transferred to the dealers/installers or homeowners. My support may soon come to a screaching halt if this is not corrected in the VERY near future. Your lower sash is hitting the vent latches due to low tolerances and/or improperly installed latches. You paid a premium for your window and should be able to open it anyway you like within reason and without problems.

I OPENLY welcome additional comments regarding the Schuco products on this thread that I began from those that have actually owned or sold the product. The Internet is a VERY powerful tool that is often underestimated... it can, and does... work for or against.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Make sure your vent latches are pushed in all the way. Sometimes the factory workers are in a hurry and don't get them set in place. Then just make sure you activate and deactivate them a couple times. Sometimes pieces of vinyl dust get stuck inside the latch. A quick blast of canned air also does the trick. Just make sure they get pushed in and up so they stay locked. If you still have problems with them contact your supplier. They are easy to pop out and change. I carry bags of them just in case this happens.

When cleaning your sashes. Open the lower one almost all the way. Flip it down and pull it to a comfortable resting place. You should leave enough room so you can tilt the upper sash down to rest almost exactly ontop the lower sash. You can then clean the top one and flip it up. This leaves the bottom one and your done. I do it all the time. It works well and easy. Just make sure they lay ontop each other with a nice comfortable position for you to clean from. Hope this helps!!!

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 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rick (---.reston01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

FenEx, Richard, & Guy:

Thanks for all the advice. Regarding the cleaning I've figured it out. The issue I was having was a standard double hung vs. an Oriel only 14 inches off the floor. I need to treat both differently, and have found an easy method for both.

Regarding the vent locks---- OK the installer did adjust the windows today upon installing the inside trim. And yes--- opening them using the handles on the bottom sash seems to work on all the windows. However there are still some that engage the vent lock if I open them at the meeting point, which is obviously most convenient for the Oriel windows. I agree the handles are there for a reason, but paying top dollar I believe I should be able to open the window at the meeting point without having the vent lock engage.

Am I wrong?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rich (---.bms.com)
Date:   

Don't be fooled. Schuco are EuroTrash windows. I wouldn't put that crap on my house. Buy American.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Hey Rich, They are made here in America!! They also employ American citizens to make the products.

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!

Post Edited (02-24-05 10:25)


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Rich... you define the term ignoramus. Go play chatroom somewhere else.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rich (---.bms.com)
Date:   

Schuco windows are as American as a Honda built in Ohio. Schuco is a wholly foreign owned and operated company period. By the way FenEx, this discussion board is intended to be a resource for consumers seeking unbiased information, not a platform for unsolicited advertising by a European manufacturer of inferior products.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: KATHY FAGLE (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date:   

THE INSTALLERS ARE KEY TO PREFORMANCE AND MY WERE DRUGGIESFenestration Expert wrote:

> For those of you looking for the best performing windows on
> the market.. it's Schuco (corporate partner of Mercedes Benz).
> Never heard of them? They are the world's largest manufacturer
> (larger than Anderson, Pella and Marvin combined). They have
> been in 45 countries since 1952 and are just now manufactured
> in Connecticut for North America. They are the world's most
> energy efficient windows with U-factors as low as 0.16.(2.0
> Double hungs). Don't be fooled by thinking Low-E/Argon is all
> that.. it's 1982 technology. Schuco uses a Thermoplastic
> glazing system that eliminates seal failure and does not
> conduct like metal spacers used by every other window
> manufacturer. Want proof? Check out the NFRC.Org. Look between
> the glass of any other window. You will see either a metal
> spacer with dotted lines down it or the inverted PPG intercept
> spacer with a grey compound in the belly of the spacer. These
> systems are both filled with a dessicant to absorb condensation
> to disguise seal failures. Bye, Bye Argon Gas and hello
> conductivity... it's metal and glass folks (cookware). Have
> more questions??? Ask away.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: KATHY FAGLE (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date:   

SCHUCO WINDOWS............WHAT ALINE. MY HUSBAND FELL FOR THE SALES PITCH AND THE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED BY TWO SLEEZY GUYS THAT STOLE PRECRIPTIONS DRUGS WHILE THEY WERE HERE.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

THEN CALL THE COMPANY AND THE POLICE KATHY.
I'm sure the window company would like to know if they have a bad crew. How do you expect them to know this and do something about it if you don't tell them.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the Schuco window, but rather a contractors employees.

May I ask...did you ask for references, and then talk to these people who had their windows installed? If you found through your research that these were happy customers who loved their installers, did you get the names of the installers that did the work you saw, and then did you have the salesman specify that those installers install your job? If you didn't, then don't blame others for your failure to do your homework.

To insinuate that FenEx is somehow responsible for your failure to do your proper homework on your contractor is unfair. That's YOUR job.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Thanks W4U... and Kathy, do you really intend to impose the thought that because you suspect this wrong doing, that every Schuco dealer has theiving drug addicts for employees? C'mon, you must be more rational than that.

Rich... this is exactly the forum for biased or opinionated information. What do you think every post is? They are the opinions of homeowners and those in the profession that they share with others seeking exactly that. My earlier response was accurately, a direct response to yours. If you sincerely believe that Schuco products are Eurotrash and inferior products... enlighten us instead of just making blind comments of your own bigotry. I wonder who made that computer you are using or parts for the car you drive. Are you Native American Indian... or a decendant of what you refer to as "EuroTrash"? The Schuco products for North America are made right in CT, assembled by, sold by and installed by... Americans.

Please don't misunderstand, Schuco has plenty of issues to work out... and they are increasing. For instance, their Dealer Support and Loyalty should be a primary concern as it ultimately affects every end user... yet it is not being addressed properly by current management. Time will tell.

So Rich.. open forum... please tell us who makes a superior vinyl window? How are Schuco's products inferior? Care to contribute?

Fenex


 

 Re: polybau windows

Author: Soryl (---.westsiderc.org)
Date:   

I live in Los Angeles and we are looking into replacing very old, single pane, crank windows. Polybau windows have been recommended by a company call All Windows. Does anyone have any experience with these windows or this company?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Here's some news from the Eurotrash:

Window and door systems specialist, Schüco, has won the much coveted 2004 Manufacturer of the Year prize at the Building Awards.

Schüco beat off stiff competition to claim the prestigious honour. The company won praise from the judges for its innovative, cutting edge building products and enviable training programme.

Schüco supplies a highly engineered range of innovative façade, curtain walling and window systems in aluminium, steel and PVC-U. The judges commended the company for its technical know-how and willingness to push technical frontiers. In the judges summary of the award, it said: “The advancements of the construction industry would, frankly, advance nowhere were it not for those manufacturers of building products that would not only create what we need to build our schemes but also push technological boundaries to make buildings better. Schüco is one such firm.”

Schüco was delighted to win the award, after being up against such distinguished competition. The company takes pride in its products and people and to be acknowledged by its peers was a fantastic honour. Schüco is constantly developing its technical expertise, range of building solutions and ways of working. Its investment in people is of paramount importance and it is totally dedicated to training, as illustrated by the company’s state-of-the-art training centre in Milton Keynes.”

Schüco’s constant search to utilise groundbreaking technology is exemplified at the new McLaren Technology Centre in Woking, Surrey, where the company used aluminium wind blades and slim, stainless steel vertical tie-rods to create framework from which 40,000 tonnes of glass is almost invisibly suspended.

I guess Eurotrash Loosers always win these awards!!!

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: longbrhair63 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Lisa, I used King Quality for my windows and I would highly reccommend them. I had the schuco windows installed in November. I work in home improvements and to be honest with you, they are very professional. Should you decide to use them, I would reco requesting Taki and his son to do the work. I feel it was worth every penny I paid to have the Schuco windows installed and better yet the service I received.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: longbrhair63 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Pardon me if I am wrong, but aren't you not supposed to open or close the windows for at least 24-48 hours so the caulking can dry. I was told not to touch them unless absolutely necessary. If the installers just left your home and your already having problems, that leads me to think you touched them and will possibly have future problems as a result. I am just a consumer, not a window expert.



Post Edited (01-22-05 07:21)


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

That's not true Longbrhair. If your installer told you this they are using caulk to hold the window in place. The caulk is there to seal the job from moisture and cold. It's just the first barrier to keep Mother Nature on the outside of the home. It's also used to cover up seems and any little imperfections done during the install. Some installers use it on the inside for cosmetic reasons also. You should still be able to use your window when the installers finish's the job. We only tell the customer to be careful about wet caulking so they don't get it on their body some where!!

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Mary (192.60.241.---)
Date:   

I live in Northern Virginia. Could you help me out in finding a Schuco dealership?
Thanks,
Mary


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Single Lady (170.103.2.---)
Date:   

Schuco garden window appears to be pretty awesome, but was quoted $2600 to replace an approx. 40hx39w x window....got down to $2400. Would you consider this a fair price for Central Ohio? Thank you.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

I'd consider it about where it should be. Enjoy it.


 

 Schuco Windows

Author: mark (208.35.44.---)
Date:   

I had 1/2 of our North windows replaced with the Schuco 4000's this summer. I replaced the Pella Prolines that were installed when the house was built in 1995. Prior to the Schuco's, I had Pella replace several of the windows (at their expense) because of water damage to the frames due to the interior ice buildup on the windows. When the warranty ran out, I had the Schuco's installed. I still have ice on the interior Schuco glass and frames -- this is after overnight subzero temps with my insulated shades closed. The Pellas that are left have approximately 1/4 inches of ice build-up as a comparison. The answer may be obvious, but the energy companies recommend closing shades and drapes to help retain warmth. But when you do that, your windows cool and moisture condenses (and will eventually freeze). Humidity in my house is about 30% and we keep the temp between 68-70. Is there ANY window that won't freeze -- and how do I avoid this problem?? I have pictures -- I wish I could attach them so you could see the problem.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

When you put up insulated shades, you are in essence moving the entire window to the exterior of your home, which reduces the inside frame and glass temperature to levels that cannot withstand pretty much ANY humidity levels in your home. It's very similar to why your windows frost or fog when you bring hot coffee into a cold car. You are setting up your windows for failure, and I know of nothing short of filling in your windows with studs, insulation, and drywall that will help. Window treatments such as shades are meant for privacy, not insulation. That is the windows job.
You HAVE to have air flow to the window. If you have to keep these insulated shades, at least bring them out farther away from the window so that warmer air can flow behind them from the top all way through the bottom. Lack of air movement is one of the major causes of condensation. Please try it and re-post with your results.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: peter (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Schuco is not cheap, but it's an excellent product, reach out to FenEx for further info.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

research and knowledge is the consumers best friend!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Thanks Peter, value is always the goal given the budget.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: jansenrpi (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date:   

What about the insulated shades that have a vapor barrier? The studies that I have seen claim that if the insulated shades seal out AND their is such a vapor barrier in the fabric THEN the icing problem can be avoided.

That said, I would tend to think that insulated shades on top of triple pane is not saving enough energy (from the boosted R value) to offset either the life taken off the windows (that are icing under shades without the vapor barrier) or the cost of new insulated shades with the vapor barrier.

I found the following URL helpful (and the basis for the above thoughts).
http://cecommerce.uwex.edu/pdfs/B3064.PDF


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: jansenrpi (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date:   

I recently purchased a house that had 16 windows that were "repaired" with cladding. What was actually done (I found out after the sale) was to saw out the rotted sill, replace it with treated wood wrapped in coil stock, and wrap up all the brick molding to give a cosmetically acceptable appearance.

The windows (Crestline) are actually pretty solid but if you pull out their vinyl tracking you see that almost all of them have rot in the jams that extends 3-5 inches above the "sawed" out sills. I am concerned that this seems to me that this is
a) an infiltration nightmare
b) a risk to be wick for water to the studs of the house

The above is mentioned in hope of hearing "the experts" opinion of which of three routes would be best

1) "seal" up this mess and put in replacement windows
2) go with new construction windows (DOES SCHUCO HAVE SUCH A BEAST)
3) attempt to "rebuild" the jams and sills back into a solid enclosure that will accept a replacement window

An additional question? I hear people talking about standard sizes and yet I don't find anything but technology description on these windows (e.g. not finding sizes available, different models etc on web sites). How does one find out more about these windows (short of enduring the much loathed sales pitch from a dealer).


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

jansenrpi wrote:

> What about the insulated shades that have a vapor barrier?
> The studies that I have seen claim that if the insulated shades
> seal out AND their is such a vapor barrier in the fabric THEN
> the icing problem can be avoided.
>
> That said, I would tend to think that insulated shades on top
> of triple pane is not saving enough energy (from the boosted R
> value) to offset either the life taken off the windows (that
> are icing under shades without the vapor barrier) or the cost
> of new insulated shades with the vapor barrier.
>
> I found the following URL helpful (and the basis for the
> above thoughts).
> http://cecommerce.uwex.edu/pdfs/B3064.PDF



You are absolutely right on both points. A vapor barrier would help if you could get the shade sealed well enough around the edges. That would be a big IF, and could be difficult without something like a magnetic seal to completely keep water vapor from passing through to the window.
I understand the reason some people find insulated shades and insulated panels attractive, as no one likes to freeze sitting or sleeping next to a window. I myself used them in a real old rental home when I was much younger to save on my gas bill. While they could be just dandy if sealed properly in an old home with original 100 year old windows, I really don't see the point when a premium replacement window has already been installed, particularly when that window has triple glazing with low-e glass, krypton gas and a center of glass R- value of over R-9. Like you said, is it really worth the water mess, mold, mildew, and possible rotting to save an insignificant amount off the heating bill? I sure wouldn't think so.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Tom Clarke (---.state.nj.us)
Date:   

I'm going to replace the windows in my house.
I've had a number of people come out to offer estimates. The local Schuco installer was one of them. Another was the CertainTeed installer. As an aside, I researched lots of ways but Jim Dulley (www.dulley.com) was one of them. He lists CertainTeed as one of the best replacement vinyl windows available but Schuco isn't mentioned. Could you address the differences and compare the two? Thanks.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: haha (---.clvdoh.adelphia.net)
Date:   

This is a great site, glad i found it and really appreciate the help FenEx and Window4U provide.

Thanks!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Tom (205.172.107.---)
Date:   

I first want to thank everyone for all of the valuable information on this bulletin board.

As many others have done, I am struggling in making a decision on which window (and installer) to choose for my small ranch house. I live in Pittsburgh, PA. The house is a corner house on a busy street with a shopping center across the street. The house is 55 years old with 11 openings (all original single pane casement with storm windows and marble sills). Unfortunately, 5 of the openings are large. Two are 69" x 38", three are 52" x 38", three are 30.5" x 38", plus a 30.5" x 25", a 18" x 25", and a 16" x 35". The three quotes were considering at this time (I'm ignoring the $22,000 Pella Designer Series quote) are: TRACO 4900 series casements ($4700), Champion casements ($8800), and Schuco Corona 4000 ($11,200) for in-line sliders for the 5 large openings, DH for the 3 30.5" x 38", and casement for the 2 small openings. The most I can borrow is $10,000 (and I need/want to get two new entry doors). I LOVE the Schuco windows, but the $4700 price tag on the TRACO 4900 series is tempting. The example TRACO window I looked at looked no better or no worse than the Champion window (mid-range double glazed, low E / argon, vinyl windows). My questions: Is the $11,200 price a good price for Schuco Corona 4000? Is the $4,700 price a good deal for the TRACO 9000 series? One odd caveat, the contractor with the Schuco window only carries the Corona 4000 (I was hoping to price the Corona 3000), and the contractor for the TRACO window only carries the 9000 series (I was interested in the "Power of 2" window). Is this typical of window contractors? Thanks for your help. Tom.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: mark (208.35.44.---)
Date:   

Thanks for your comments on the icing and insulated shades. Keeping the shades open a bit to ensure air circulation seems like the most cost efficient thing to do. I guess I'm a product of the 70's energy shortages. Back then, I used to take styrofoam sheets and put them in my single pane storm windows during the winters to save energy. My wife hated it ... like living in a cave. The technology has come a long way since then.




 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Jeff Hayes (---.cisco.com)
Date:   

TOM:

Nu View visited my house yesterday evening. Got a quote as follows:

7 windows - 3 single casement, 2 triple sliders, 2 double sliders
$6188

$1250 extra for garden window - replaces one of the single casements (seems a bit high).

I've also gotten quotes from Andersen renewal ($7507) and HD ($6147) - both for casements and one slider.

How does this compare with your quote? I like in Arlington.

Thanks,
Jeff


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Jeff Hayes (---.cisco.com)
Date:   

RICK:

Did you contract with Schuco? Nu View - NOVA Schuco dealer - visited my house yesterday evening. Got a quote as follows:

7 windows - 3 single casement, 2 triple sliders, 2 double sliders
$6188

$1250 extra for garden window - replaces one of the single casements (seems a bit high).

I've also gotten quotes from Andersen renewal ($7507) and HD ($6147) - both for casements and one slider.

How does this compare with your quote? I like in Arlington.

Thanks,
Jeff


 

 Schuco vs heat mirror or Superglass

Author: jansenrpi (---.scorec.rpi.edu)
Date:   

Does anyone care to comment on Schuco's performance vs. heat mirror or Superglass

http://www.westislandglass.com/hmtable.html

I think all reading by now know that U=1/R
and as such Schuco's best is around R=5 (e.g. 0.2) which is awesome to be sure (note there are diminishing returns).

But it accomplishes this with Triple pain which means that VT (visible light) is cut to 0.37.

As you may note in the link above (and I am finding this out by surfing the web for windows and have no idea if this is a good or bad company) Heat Mirror and Superglass 88 can get an R 5.56 and 9.09 respectively while holding VT at .73 and .65 respectively.

Does anybody know how to confirm these numbers with NFRC data (I must say I do trust Lawrence Berkeley Labs and it does say the NFRC test)?

Does anyone know about the quality of construction on these windows?

If this company's construction is less than excellent, are there any companies that use the heat mirror that do have a top quality construction? (ultimately we all have to balance thermal performance with quality of window since none of us want to replace windows every 5 or 10 years even if they are R20)

Does anyone know why bigger companies like Schuco, Anderson and others have not picked up the Heat Mirror technology (I see it mentioned as an option on many companies site and yet when I go to the NFRC site it is never there)?




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Rich B. (---.001.starnetwx.net)
Date:   

The numbers you quoted for Schuco are total window R value's, which are less than the R-9.2 that the Schuco glass has. I gathering by your post that you seem to think Heat Mirror does better at 9.09. If comparing apples to apples with the Schuco numbers, you actually need to put that Heat Mirror glass in a particular window, then test the entire window. Depending on the brand of window, the total window u value could be either higher or lower.
As far as why major manufacturers don't switch, dead plants is one reason. Past Heat Mirror failures manufacturers have had is another. {The center pane of a triple glazed window does not wrinkle or fall apart after 15-20 years.}
The high end heat mirror I used to sell was very dark. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but the Schuco triple panes I've seen look just as clear as the double panes. I saw one job where the picture window was double pane and the double hungs on each side were triple pane, and I couldn't tell the difference. I couldn't see any tint whatsoever from the inside.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Jansen

Rich is correct about the performance numbers you posted. They are "center of glass" numbers... not window numbers. Also, watch the VT drop with a screen in front of them.

I realize that your concern about SAD is an important one, but here's a bit of info. Spectrally selective Low-E coatings are designed to reflect infrared wavelengths of light (heat). Granted, they affect the visible colors of the light spectrum which combined provide "white" light (Visible), but Blue is among the least affected after violet. Blue light, as I am sure you know, is the most effective at Melatonin suppression & provides the most stimulation of Serotonin production. "Blue lights" and other forms of treatment might be a better solution than compromising the overall comfort of your family and the energy efficiency of your home. I suggest asking a physician.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: indy (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Hi All - great information here. I have contacted the Schuco Co to find someone local to give me a quote. I am based in CT so hopefully they have someone local. My BIG question is I had a company in today to give me a quote. I think the window wer algard or something like that. they gae me a quote for 13 various size double hung windows and one fixed pane bay panel, no grids all vinyl inside and out - $7,800 for double pane and $9,800 for triple all installed from the outside tax included. He did not measure any of the windows. Being a new homeowner, is this standard practice? He left no quote. I have no idea what to think of this quote. Thanks for any help. Clueless in CT!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: jansenrpi (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date:   

Rich,

Thanks for pointing out the center vs. total window. I suspected as much and am frustrated that I can't seem to find any full window NFRC numbers that employ the heat mirror. Again, does anybody know of one with NFRC numbers?

Not sure I follow dead plants (do you mean that the manufacturing plants were not selling enough windows that use heat mirror which would seem to be the same as your second point of going out of business or is there something else)?

Thanks also for the concern regarding wrinkling up. Kind of surprised they cannot control that but it would certainly be something I would ask about.

Having never seen one of these windows (nor looked at double side by side with triple) I am only going by the published data which shows that the triple has a VT of 0.37 whereas typical double are in the high 0.5x range which from what I have "read" is a big difference. Yes there are heat mirrors with very low VT but the nice thing is that you can get them with very high VT if you want and they claim you can get very high blocking of UV which, being in a heating dominated zone is good from that perspective.

FENEX

Thanks for the tip about blue light. Will explore all avenues on this.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Tom (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   

Jeff,

Your quote for the Shuco windows:

7 windows - 3 single casement, 2 triple sliders, 2 double sliders
$6188

was that for the Corona 4000 series?

My quote (11 openings for $11,200) were for Corona 4000. That amount is a little more than I can afford. Unfortunately, the contractor said they only carry the 4000 series. I would have liked to have gotten a quote for the Corona 3000. I need the price to be below $10,000.

Searching in Pittsburgh. Tom.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Daniel Bordeaux (---.nc.hr.cox.net)
Date:   

Not to tell all the problems i have had with a "contractor", but to settle out of court i had him give me my 7 replacement windows. They are the corona 4000 series with low e and triple glaze. From looking at these post it seems i have gotten the best windows out there. Now its up to me and my neighbor to get them in. Due to past problems with the contractor, we are going to finish my renovations. Are there any things i need to know about installing these windows that does not stand out and hit me in the face ?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Paul Yachnes (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date:   

Can anyone tell me how much I should pay for a Corona 4000 in-line slider for an opening 92.5" x 36.5"? (I was quoted $1,850).

And what is a reasonable price for a Corona 4000, 5-panel bow, 102" x 78" with tempered glass. (I was quoted $5,800 - high, but it's an enormous window, and tempered glass costs extra). Any help is appreciated.

Paul


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Jeff Hayes (---.cisco.com)
Date:   

TOM:

Quote is for the Corona 4000 series.

Thanks,
Jeff




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Ken Dunbar (---.verizon.com)
Date:   

Atrium vs. Schuco like Saturn vs. Mercedes.... or as another post said Dodge Neon. uh oh, Diamler Chrysler...manufacturer of the Neon. Starting to wonder about Schuco LOL


 

 Schuco Windows catalog or website??

Author: Jolene (---.bhi.com)
Date:   

I would like to know of a website I can go onto to find info about Schuco windows or someone I can contact to get a catalog?? Thanks.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Schuco's website is:

http://www.schuco-usa.com

This website is not real consumer friendly, but has some good info to read. The new Schuco consumer website is being put together as we speak and should be much better when completed.
You can see some photos on my company's secondary web site. It's just a "thrown together" site I use to post photos for people online who request comparison photos of different features of Schuco vs other brands. I'll try to post some more photos tonight. If anyone wants a particular brand comparison or certain closeup , just let me know. That site is:

http://www.schuco-windows.com/pages/8/index.htm


 

 Re: Schuco Windows

Author: Nancy (---.moundsviewschools.org)
Date:   

I just had a rep out last night to get a quote on replacing a patio door (69 1/2" W x 78 1/2" H)and three-lite slider window (69 1/2" W x 50" H) - all with a white finish. The windows were written up to include T.P.S, glasing system, two (2) coats of low "E" to include Schuco Lifetime Warranty and two (2) year Good Housekeeping warranty, taxes, permits, removal of all debris, and any extra labor to be charged at $50/hr. Along with a 20% coupon and additional 10% off from the rep, I was quoted a total pricing of $6,205.00. I live in Minnesota.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows

Author: Nancy (---.moundsviewschools.org)
Date:   

I meant to add: Is this a good price for Schuco?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

No, it's not a good price unless there are some really extenuating circumstances too the install.
Can't they make a standard door work? I'm curious if the measurement to your rough opening is accurate. Was it a salesman that measured or was he someone that knew what he was doing? :)
The standard door is exactly 71 1/2 x 79 1/2.
To pay extra for a custom door when the opening is that close seems like a waste unless someone makes sure a standard door won't fit.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Nancy (---.moundsviewschools.org)
Date:   

The rep measured and I've measured the opening myself. It was from inside the existing frame. The rep thought the measurement was odd, too. Maybe this is a builder-related mess up. He also checked to see if there was some type of brick bracing - or something that attached to the house, which there wasn't. He didn't mention that there was any special installation issues with this order. What do you suggest my next step be?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

My suggestion as an option would be to email the guy on this site that gives advice named Guy. He has a company called Installation Masters in Minnesota and is a real pro, as well as a good honest guy. He would be a good one to call to come out, measure, and steer you in the right direction. His company installs over 500 windows and doors a week, so he is obviously very experienced. His email is: guy@installationmastersinc.com
His number is 763-780-1212. Good luck.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Nancy (---.moundsviewschools.org)
Date:   

Thanks! I called and left a message and will see what he has to say.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: peter (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   



Please dont confuse Nu View of DC area With New View Windows of MA and CT who also sells Schuco. New View Windows is excellent.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: peter (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

hey Fenex...F.Y.I Thanks for all your knowledge that you share on this board, clearly you have a great deal of experience.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Peter

Glad you appreciate our assistance, and hope you like how things read today a whole lot better. .

Helping people like you see the light is what keeps us going.

Have a Nice Day.

Fenex


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: peter (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Hey fenex you are absolutely correct as usual, take care and have a great day!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Nothing better than that bright light Fen!!! It was all like a mad dream!! I then woke up and the bad dream was gone. Doesn't get any better than that!!!

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Indy (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Okay window experts - more confused then ever. Who then are FJB and do they sell Schuco windows or Insul-Sash (sp?)or both? After reading all of the great stuff regarding Schuco - I got a quote today but now I'm not sure what the quote was for. All of the materials said insul-sash but I requested a quote for Schuco. These quotes are difficult at best to understand and nobody wants to write anything on paper. After a 3 hour presentation and measuring, I now have a notebook paper with various #'s on it and a "deal" that to save $2,000 off an original quote of $14,000 (11 DH windows at about $1089 each and an entry door at $2,842). I must commit to in two days or its gone. Please help sort this out. I guess I should get another quote.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Indy

Feel free to email me for some help so we can make the forum available for other issues.

FenEx@optonline.net


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: peter (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   


Thanks Fenex glad to see everyone is happy, feel free to send any CT or MA Schuco customers my way New View Windows (860)558-2811,,,Schuco windows are the best as always!


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Beth (---.nas38.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net)
Date:   

I live in Denver, CO. Just got a quote from Schuco distributor. Price was initially pretty inflated, but got better. Real question is if anyone has experience with "Lasting Impressions" the local distributor. Seems that install is very important to success of experience. Looking for any comments or experience.

Tks


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Gayle (---.the-beach.net)
Date:   

You keep saying Schuco is largest window manufacrurer in the world . I tried doing research on them but don't even have a web site. This site does not exist
www.schuco-homecraft.com


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Try: http://www.schuco-usa.com


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: joe motzidotz (---.nap.wideopenwest.com)
Date:   

listen succo windows are terrible. their values are tremendous and their prices are spectacularly high. Everytime ive had succo windows installed, they seem to send a dope to install it. My window wouldnt stay shut until he came back and re-installed it with the right side up. its a mess. Im tellin ya. stucco, succo.. or anything with a ucco in it - forget it. Because they sucko. time and time again.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: joe motzidotz (---.nap.wideopenwest.com)
Date:   

and thats the truth!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Isn't there way to keep the children off this site?
These fake posts are really annoying to the consumers who are here for advice, as well to the pros donating their off time trying to help people make educated decisions.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

For those of you considering the Schuco Product or any product for that matter, please be aware of bogus posts and false dealers. This previously posted message is an example:


Author: peter (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 01-27-05 18:40

Thanks Fenex glad to see everyone is happy, feel free to send any CT or MA Schuco customers my way New View Windows (860)558-2811,,,Schuco windows are the best as always!


This company is NOT a Schuco Dealer and has been notified by Schuco corporate to stop the false claims. They will pursue legal action if necessary to protect their name and reputation. Please do NOT confuse this outfit with NuView out of VA & MD who are very legitimate and respectable. You can always find or varify legitimate dealers directly through Schuco @ 1-877-4-Schuco.

FenEx


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Harald (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

After reading so much about Schuco windows I am almost convinced :)

Almost, because there is an alternative out there that has not been addressed in this forum at all: fiberglass.

Any comments on that?

Also, if a developer is not a Schuco dealer, how can I get Schuco windows installed (Leesburg, FL)?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: vdotmatrix (---.alxndr01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

I just had the Anderson Guy leave the house and his quote fro the 14 2-pane windows was even more than the Schuco 3 pane krypton.

You guys weren't kidding that the renewal were severely over priced...


OUCH!

And i hope everyone who sears by Schuco is right!


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: vdotmatrix (---.alxndr01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

So what is wrong with NuView of DC?


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Blaine (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

test


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Blaine (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

I got a good look at the schuco window a few weeks ago.

In my opinion it's the second best vinyl window in the world. And because of the title of the thread, and the fact that my company carries the most energy efficient window in the world with the longest strongest warranty in the business (50yrs transferrable)I'll need to respond.

For top of the line vinyl, you need to look at the Barricade window carried by Primax or a subsidary. I'm their national sales manager so I'll share some things about it with you.

First off it's been featured on the Discovery Channel as the most energy efficient in the world. They showed it in a wind tunnel withstanding 180 mph winds. During the 60 second test it only leaked off .2 cubic feet of air.

The nationally certified testing labaratory at the University of Illinois tested it and put an R-value of 10 on it. It also received a rating of .1 when tested for U-value. NEVER! REPEAT NEVER! Buy into manufacturers claims!

It has 3 peices of PPG 1/8" triple float glass. With 3/8" gas chambers.

TR3000 seals chemically etched to the glass at 400 degrees Farenheit.

Trigon gas filled (Argon, Krypton, Sulphur Hexaflouride). Has an R-value of 10.

3layers of solar ban 60 low E for a U-value of .01

Dual Frame.. The vinyl is 100% reniforced with aluminum, frames and sashes! Warrantied against bowing and warping for 50 yrs. The Glass packs are also warrantied against seal failure for 50 yrs.

Made in the USA.

You want to talk expensive? You bet it is!

Never buy into the fantastic advertising claims of the manufacturers. And anyone that offers savings of up to a certain amount in energy, is offering you no guarantee. Hence the phrase up to.

There's only one modern marvel when it comes to windows.. That's mine. Who else is on the discovery channel?

And who else will guarantee that their window will pay for itself in energy savings in 8 yrs or we pay the difference even if it matches the purchase price?

Schuco the best? Not by a longshot!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: vdotmatrix (---.alxndr01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

Yo Blaine. I went to the NFRC website......Maybe I am mistaken but under vertical sliders I could not find a listing for Primax or Barricade.

POOF!

So much for that!

Thanks!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: TV watcher (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Hey Blaine,
Is there anything you would like to tell everybody here about the history of your company here in Illinois and St. Louis? For starters, has the company gone out of business repeatedly and changed the name from NuView to Thermoview, and now to Primax?
And if so, please tell us what people who bought the Barricade window from one of the previous incarnations have been told when they have a warranty issue. Please don't fib Blaine, as some of us were watching the WCIA-TV investigative report. By the way Blaine, what ever happened with the Illinois State Attorney Generals investigation the TV station said was under way?
.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: vdotmatrix (---.alxndr01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

OOOOpppssss....that's gonna leave a mark.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Reader (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Just thought I'd share this comforting information about the aforementioned ThermoView product as stated in The Lane Report in KYBiz. It appears their problems aren't just limited to IL.

"Replacement window manufacturer ThermoView Industries is in default on $25 million in debts with PNC Bank and GE Capital, its CEO and CFO have resigned, and the company is consulting with experts on how to extricate itself from its financial troubles."


Gotta run right out and get me some of those windows !!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Guy (---.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net)
Date:   

Sound to me like Best window in the world has some debts to clean up. Hey Blaine if that was a commercial to drum up business. I think the marketing needs a little work. I hear stamping license plates is a great trade!!

The Window To Success, Is Your Installer!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: tpflake (---.boeing.com)
Date:   

Sounds like the Winchester Bristol window (located in PA), sold in St. Louis by Thomas Construction. All the specs Blaine listed are exactly those of the Winchester, down to the Trigon gas and it's components.




 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Winchester is making the Thermoview windows. The "TR3000 seals chemically etched to the glass at 400 degrees Farenheit" ... is Swiggle spacers. The "Trigon gas filled (Argon, Krypton, Sulphur Hexaflouride)", is less expensive and less efficient than Krypton. I could continue on and on... but even considering the previous few posts... what would be the point. This unit is not even near the class of a Schuco.

Tpflake... I'll return your email and have a Schuco dealer professional friend of mine chomping at the bit to show you the product vs. what you saw. Please post again and share your views for the readers. This comparison is a no-brainer.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Sandy (---.verona01.nj.comcast.net)
Date:   

I've researched NFRC's site to compare the Schuco 4000 DH Corona series window vs. the Kensington 5310 DH window. Both the "U" and SHGC results are lower for the Kensington 5310 series window. Does anyone have an opinion about this window??? How does it compare to the Schuco in terms of quality of production, spacer type, warranty, cusotmer service/support, etc...


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: searspro (---.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   

Hi, just curious how you would recommend fitting a 71 1/2" door into a 68" opening? Your talking about removing or at least disturbing structure, which is possible but not at the price you get for a standard door. Might as well order the custom fit door and leave your drywall and siding alone.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

>>> Window4U said: [Quote]
Can't they make a standard door work? I'm curious if the measurement to your rough opening is accurate. Was it a salesman that measured or was he someone that knew what he was doing? :)
To pay extra for a custom door when the opening is that close seems like a waste unless someone makes sure a standard door won't fit.[Quote]<<<



__________________________________________


Why don't you read the post again Searspro. Where in here do I state that altering the opening to make it fit is an option? You're right, it doesn't.
I only suggested that someone who knows what they are doing re-measure before ordering a custom door. It would be real stupid to order the custom door because of a salesmans measurements only to find out the Rough Opening was really 72", now wouldn't it.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: searspro (---.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   

window4u, Your absolutely right. After reading the post again, (and not so late at night) I see that the rough opening might, possibly, accomodate a standard door. In fact I have ran into this myself. The problem is this. Most salesmen, as we all know, don't know squat about installation. So if it is a close call, between standard or custom, they obviously choose custom to avoid the return visit to rewrite the contract. In fact, there was a time at Sears when they never priced standard doors to avoid this situation. Contractually, the salesman would have to eat the difference if the mistake was made.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: HipKat (---.bflony.adelphia.net)
Date:   

QUOTE: I have said it before, I'll say it again... Schuco never has, and never will sell direct to homeowners...


I'm a salesman for Schuco. We ONLY sell direct to homeowners.
Sorry about your problems. Sounds like your dealer has issues.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: Grant Wurtz (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I just got a visit from a Schuco rep. from western New York...Rochester/Buffalo area and i am angry with how that company represents themself. I had the first rep come out and give me the state of the union on how their product is superior...That was ok until price time...They originally came out with $18,000 for the windows and I looked at him funny and he said since i looked like an important person ...he would drop the price to $13,000....we left it at that. I said I would contact him if i was interested. About 2 weeks went by and I recieved a call from SCHUCO saying that the Regional rep will be in my area and wanted to speak to me...ok..fine! Well the Regional rep came over and immediately comented how crappy my other windows were and That I wasted my time talking to other WINDOW reps because I was stupid for even considering them! Well that started out good..not! To make a long story short. These windows are pretty good but not worth the price or the ignorance that comes with them! oh and by the way the rep came down to $10,000 ...I would of probably paid $10,000 for them if the rep was'nt such a JACKASS!
BUYER BEWARE...other windows are comparable and do you HOMEWORK on the windows and company...READ the Message boards!!!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (216.146.78.---)
Date:   

Grant

Although they are great windows, under those presentation circumstances, I wouldn't buy them either. If you wouldn't mind, please target those involved more specifically as generalizations can affect those that truly do the product justice and provide superior service to homeowners and the industry.


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: coy (---.153.190.152.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)
Date:   

hello to start, thank you fenex and window4u(il)its because of your profesional responses to the posts i have become a schuco-er. i live in chesapeake va. and our local rep.is exellent,its a very good window the best ive seen i paid to have them put into our (townhome)at less than others quoted for a less window.thanks to both of you,and to others out there if you dont like the sailsperson or their tactics try some one else there is good,reputable contractorsto be found


 

 Re: Schuco Contractor

Author: coy (---.153.190.152.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)
Date:   

hello to start, thank you fenex and window4u(il)its because of your profesional responses to the posts i have become a schuco-er. i live in chesapeake va. and our local rep.is exellent,its a very good window the best ive seen i paid to have them put into our (townhome)at less than others quoted for a less window.thanks to both of you,and to others out there if you dont like the sailsperson or their tactics try some one else there is good,reputable contractors to be found.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: monty.q.public (---.antelecom.net)
Date:   

Schuco can address complaints posted about the sales tactics of
salesmen representing their products. I have not seen a posting
from Schuco yet. Schuco is big in Europe, so things must be better
there, right? You judge:

http://www.thewindowman.co.uk/buyer-beware.htm

"The Biggest & Best Double Glazing UK Website"

Near the bottom of the site is a list of essays close to heart
of the homeowner.

Double Glazing Firms - Gone Bust Before?
Tackling Bogus Trading
Double Glazing Buying - the best, and worst, ways to pay for it
Can I believe the double glazing adverts?
Double glazing salespeople - can I believe them?
PVC-U double glazing Quality and strength - the ONE most important
thing to look for
Make certain that your supplier is going to do the job to full
Building Regulations specifications

Windows are glasses

Post Edited (02-19-05 13:51)


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Doug W. (---.245.24.133.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net)
Date:   

My Schuco experience is that I've been chasing them to see if they have any source providers in the Kansas City area. I called their CT. office twice over 10 days. Both times they took my name and number and said they'd have someone get in touch. No reponse. Not even a call saying: "No, we're not interested." And none of the resident Schuco experts on this site have commented to previous posts about not being able to find anything out.


Clearly this is not a life crisis, but I'm left thinking their customer service is/has not been impressive before the sale....


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Sorry Doug. I was out of town and got back today and saw you had emailed me.
As far as Schuco corporate, I think they need to fire whoever has the job of referring dealers since they obviously are not doing their job.
The dealer is American Home Exteriors. Their number is 913-381-6600.
http://www.aheinc.com

The last person I sent to him said the salesman played big time price drop games and he ended up not buying from him. Maybe he has been reading this forum lately, learned his lesson and changed his ways. I can only hope. Please let me know of your experience. It might have been an isolated incident by a new rogue salesman, who knows.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: WINDOWMAN PA (---.pittpa.adelphia.net)
Date:   

I SOLD "THE SO CALLED BEST WINDOW" IT HAS A SCREWED TOGETHER FRAME AND A SO "CALLED" MIXTURE OF GASES? ARGON OR DELTA 8 OR ALPHIA 10 OR WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. PLEASE CHECK YOUR NFRC LABEL OH' DOES IT HAVE ONE? AS FAR AS DISCOVERY CHANNEL THEY WERE THE ONLY ONE'S WHO WANTED TO PAY? LET'S GET REAL!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Dave (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

The preceding poster's comments are not about Schuco just in case there is any confusion.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Doug W. (---.245.42.165.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net)
Date:   

Thanks for the info. Dave. I'll give 'em a call this week. If they sound even remotely shady, or if they seem pricey, I'll not work with them.

I'll drop you a note and let you know what I think.

-Doug


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: WINDOWMAN PA (---.pittpa.adelphia.net)
Date:   

SORRY I WAS TALKING ABOUT BARRACADE FROM THERMA-VIEW INDUSTRIES.


 

 How do I unsubscribe from this great board?

Author: vdotmatrix (---.alxndr01.va.comcast.net)
Date:   

I learned alot from this board. I bought a go-zillion dollars worth of Schuco windows....The board served it's purpose...Now I want to stop getting every single response to this board to my mailbox.

Can anyone help me turn this feature off?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

I'm not sure how to shut it off but I'm sure if you clicked on the "About Us" tab at the top of the page and then emailed the site owners with your request they could do it for you.
It was nice having you as a participant on the board. I'm glad we could help you.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: WIKAREN (209.83.88.---)
Date:   

We are in the process of replacing the 18 year old Kolbe Kolbe windows in our home. We are considering either Schuco windows or Lifetime windows. Both the suppliers sell triple paned windows which is want we want. The Lifetime windows are filled with argon gas and the Schuco are filled with crypton gas. I have been told by the factory rep that crypton gas is more dense. What does that mean for energy efficiency?? How much more energy efficient (percentage wise) are the windows filled with crypton versus the ones filled with argon??


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Julie (---.desm.qwest.net)
Date:   

Been reading some postings on the vinyl replacement windows site that you were the "schuco expert". We live in Altoona, IA (just outside of Des Moines)

A rep from Legend Windows in Newton, IA gave us the pitch for windows yesterday. All of our windows are fairly large - and custom sized. I was impressed by the quality and energy saving features of the windows but am concerned about the price.

He gave us a quote on:

1 - 36" Steel door w/full window
1 - 6' slider patio door
18 windows - (1 awning window probably 40+" wide; 2-32x38; 2-36x53; 13 - approx. 36" wide by no less than 64" high - varying sizes.)

The total was $29,380.

Yikes.

Does this sound right?

We ended up having him give us a price for just doing the North side of the house, which was the door, slider, 2-32x38, and 8 of the approx. 36"x64" windows. That ended up being $17,820.

All of the existing windows are Wenco's - and installed when the house was built (not by us!) in 1993. They are pieces of crap - and I can't imagine how much energy we lose in the winter months. One (in the kitchen) has moisture built up between the glass. We know we have to replace that one for sure.

Trying to determine if this is the route to go or not. Even though our rep said they install Schuco windows, nowhere on the "investment proposal" that he gave us does it specifically say Schuco. Shouldn't it? And, is Legend Windows a contractor for Schuco? He made it sound like we were buying "direct" from Schuco. My husband is a member of the BBB, so I may check out the company thru that, just to make sure of their credibility.

Any insight that you could give us would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: george (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

fen ex, i know you say schuco windows are the best, and have been around forever. how come they dont have distrubution in calif. hot market for window now with property values what they are?


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Julie, the price you got is laughable. It's about double what it should be.
I am not sure if he is a Schuco dealer or not, as the Des Moines dealer is Midwest Seamless Vinyl Siding. I don't know anything about the Des Moines dealer either except for the fact that he does sell Schuco.

I would like to make a suggestion to anyone getting a quote for Schuco. Tell the salesman BEFORE he quotes the job that you are going to post their quote on the internet window forums to see what the pros think of the price. This may totally do away with this kind of garbage and get you a proper price.
I don't mind saying that I am beyond disgust to keep hearing these ridiculous quotes from certain dealers.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: FenEx (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

George

Schuco is not yet available on the WestCoast... as I understand it, it's planned for the future. They have only been in the States for about 7 years now and appear to be concentratng on the East Coast and Midwest first as well as releasing new window lines and options this Fall. That's about all the info I have.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: mtulli (---.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net)
Date:   

FenEx and windows4U, I must admit you guys make a strong case, and I agree with you. Gorell is a very good product, but Schuco just might be in a class by itself.


 

 Re: Schuco Windows- The Best !!

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.001.starnetwx.net)
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Maybe you should actually go see a Schuco instead of just spouting incomplete and incorrect numbers all over this forum. Your questions would be immediately self-answered and you'd stop your "Gorell is the best" nonsense.
I'm a long time Gorell dealer as well as a Schuco dealer, and believe me when I say there is no comparison between the two. And I truly mean it's not even close.
I'll do you a favor and post comparison photos of the Schuco 4000 vs the Gorell 5300 in the next day or two on this thread for you to see. Then maybe you can begin to understand what the big deal is about Schuco.
Schuco is so far above my previous long time favorite Gorell that it's not even fair to Gorell to compare them.


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