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 Champion Windows Reviews - Anyone Have These Installed?

Author: Ron (---.lib.umb.edu)
Date:   

Does anyone have Champion Vinyl Replacement Windows or know any information about them or the co.
Thanks




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: jason santos (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

i don't have champion windows but i can give you a free estimate from windows america in hanover ma are you local if so call 781 826 1528


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: alex (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

CHAMPION WINDOWS this company is a mfg and has been in buisness since 1953they also have a life time non-prorated guarantee for as long as you own the property.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: alex (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

If you need more info let me know...


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Ron (---.lib.umb.edu)
Date:   

Thanks for the response. Do you know anything about the quality of the product and/or the reliability of Champion as a company to stand behind the product and honor responsibility?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Ron (---.lib.umb.edu)
Date:   

Does Windows America make unusual shaped windows? I have seven upper-story windows which are rectangular double hung, but the top instead of being flat horizontal, close in at a 45 degree angle and then top-off level. They are like church windows and have been described as "clip-corner".


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: alex (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

A LITTLE BACKGROUND CHECK ON CHAMPION WINDOWS .They are listed as the number 1 on the replacement window magazine and number two on the qualified remodeler magazine and number two as well on the window and door magazine they are also one of two companies that recieved the GOOD HOUSEKEEPING SEAL AND have no complaints with the better buisness bureau they are a 300 million company that sells direct to the consumer,also their 27 states and 51 locations puts them on top of the game. one thing for sure they have proved themselves... champion not a bad company ,good luck...


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Champion got their GoodHouskeeping Seal by buying it in a court case settlement. They posted literature for their sunrooms which have the seal and attached their window pictures. The other company that legitimately meets the standards is Schuco ( a 2 billion dollar a year company)and is 50% more energy efficient than Champion.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: alex (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

50% more effecient if your going to post it get your numbers straight,you must be a fisherman.




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Why yes Alex.. I am a fisherman. Champion's best rated window has a U-factor of .28 and Schuco has a a .15. The 50% I mentioned was approximate... ok.. it's 48% more efficient. As long as we are being precise, you mispelled efficient.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: alex (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

let's be fair to some of the people who might be reading this, you can not buy schuco windows direct from the factory.
The most common problem is the window industry is installation,service and worthless warranties.I have seen champions work and since i did look into schuco windows as well, i was not impressed especially the people that were selling them
there is always companies that mention their windows being the best,but at what cost. if you're talking krypton gas or triple pane or non conductive spacers, these factors do add efficiency. oh the only u=factors i came up with was .21 for a double hung window and a.18 for a casement and both had krypton gas and triple pane. .21-vs-.28 is only a r=factor of 1.2 i lose that from people walking in and out of my house.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Alex.. for once we agree. You cannot buy Schuco windows direct from the factory or at Home Depot for those reasons. Home Depot or Sears use sub-contractors for all of their installations. It is solely profit based for them and void of product integrity and consumer-benefit concerns. Schuco works with exclusive dealerships only to prevent poor installations. They will address misrepresentation or handling on a corporate level. They are the largest window manufacturer in the world but new to North America (bigger than Anderson, Pella and Marvin combined.. for many reasons). Their window warranty is lifetime and non-pro-rated. Twenty-seven years without a TPS seal failure instead of filling metal glass spacers with a dessicant to hide it. For the record, I don't work for Schuco... and the most common problem for people buying windows is lack of up-to-date window information. Low-E/Argon is outdated 1982 technology. Would you buy a 1982 car for efficiency? PPG Intercept Low-E/Argon is 1983 and only fractionally better (as varified on their own website). As for the double hung window comparison.. Champion is a .30 and Schuco is a .21 (the Schuco fixed picture is a .15). That is an overall R-value difference of 1.4. That R-Value (resistance to heat) is the eqivalent of a single-pane window with a storm verses an open hole in the wall. Did you remove your doors completely to allow your guests to enter with ease?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: chad (---.wi.rr.com)
Date:   

ok ya all done lost it. time to go to your corners get fixed up and when the bell rings come out fightin.

ding!!!!ding!!!!!!


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

LMAO Chad.... just havin' a little fun.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: jeff (---.dsl.xmission.com)
Date:   

I'm replacing about 6 windows (old style aluminum casement type)in a 45 yr old home, and have had bids on both Champion and Anderson Renewal glider types. Anderson was almost *twice* the Champion bid. Is the Anderson actually twice as good as the Champion? I'm leaning toward Champ because they seem to be less "clunky". Any opinions out there?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Ron (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date:   

Hi,

I got an estimate of $9,576 for 3 triplet casements and 9 double hung(2 w/triple glass the rest with double) from Schuco. Is there a company that makes something comparible that I can give them the measurements and install them myself?

Thankyou,

Ron

I live in Peabody, MA


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Ron... your price from Schuco was fair but the best windows on the market are only as good as their installation. The better products will protect their reputation by only using certified installers. Installing 2 triple-panes and the rest double panes is a waste of money. You cannot break the laws of physics... the heat you gain or lose will seek the easiest path in or out and accellerate. Look at it this way... if you have a double hung window (single pane) and the average year round temp in maine is 50 degrees, a 3'x4' window will lose 600 BTUs an hour versus the R-4.5 (overall) triple pane Schuco's 134 BTUs. Multiply the difference by the number of windows and then by your local energy charge to see the energy savings return on your investment but also include the property value return of quality window replacement on the East coast of 72% upon install. One way or another... you will pay and benefit.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Gene Wagstaff (---.grey01.tn.comcast.net)
Date:   

Saw your note on U-Factors vs R-Factor and I think you may not be aware that U-Factor is the inverse of R-Factor ... therefore a U-Factor of .20 is equal to an R-Factor of 5.0! (1.0 divided by .2) Most Champion windows rate about .30 U-Factor equivalent to 3.33 R-Factor with double pane, low E, and argon gas with a 5/8" space between glass. Some of the triple pane, etc do better at a much higher cost! So while no glass window is anywhere close to an R18 wall there is a big difference in an R1 single pane glass and an R3.33 Champion Window or an R5.0 high performance window since R scale is a direct linear value.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Ron (---.lib.umb.edu)
Date:   

I have seven upper-story windows which are rectangular double hung, but the top instead of being flat horizontal, close in at a 45 degree angle and then top-off level. They are like church windows and have been described as "clip-corner".
Champion has quoted a price of $8,300 to replace the seven windows. The top 45 degree angle portion would be like a small casement window attached to the botton rectangular double-hung portion. Does that sound like a fair price to replace the seven odd-shaped windows?
Thanks.
Ron in Mansfield




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Gene

I am well aware of how to convert R-value to U. Additional attention needs to be paid to the metal spacer system that is used by Champion versus the TPS used by Schuco. It's proven to be much more energy efficient but the spacer will maintain that for many more years to come. If you take the time to do an SIR over a 10 year period, the difference in profit is significant.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Charles (---.NIPR.MIL)
Date:   

All,
I just finished kicking out a Shuco representative from house this morning. The debate can go on over ratings, but the company will not succeed in North America if they continue to deploy salesman and managers to the field with their current attitude. I have never dealt with a more pushy, annoying, and rude group of company representatives. Do not let these people into your house, it is hard to get rid of them. Warning to all!
Charles from Lexington, KY


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Charles,

Schuco doesn't deploy salesmen. They are a manufacturer only and work with exclusive dealerships. If you had a bad experience, it was with the dealer you selected... not Schuco. Nonetheless, I suggest you write or email Schuco about the poor service you recieved. If complaints continue regarding the same dealer... they will drop them.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

Frankly, I think Champion makes a decent product, though it's not technologically advanced (Intercept spacer, double glazing only).

However, they DO have a pretty solid warranty, and I still generally favor the idea of manufacturer's installation versus that of a dealer. But, they're relatively expensive; and worse, their Sales folks play a LOT of "buy today" games. If you're considering Champion seriously, be sure to have some other estimates already in hand as a check.

If you happen to be in an area like Ohio, Kentucky, or Chicagoland, I might suggest you get an estimate from Gilkey before signing on Champion's dotted line. While I've been forced to disqualified them for my upcoming purchase.....due to an inability to build a triple glazed casement in a size I need.....they look a lot like a smaller Champion, and sell a better product.




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fred Kozlof (---.clec.commercial.madisonriver.net)
Date:   

BUY TODAY....... that's for sure, they hit you with 10% off if you sign tonight, etc. games

BTW, their contract does give you an 'out' within 3 days, and YOU too can negotiate, in my case, I asked for 1 week.

And they do have lots of prices.
List price,
residential price
promo price
promo with manager discount
cash price
contractor price

pretty much in that order, decending $ value.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

Yes, they hit me with a funny "offer".......

Supposedly, they had a "condo" job (consisting of several hundred windows) on the production schedule beginning that evening. If I signed the contract by 6PM, my order could be added that that fabrication run, which would theoretically save me about $1,200 from their roughly $8,200 quote.

That immediately sounded fishy to me.....but since I was interested at the time with Champion, my wife and I agreed to go down to their showroom to look at their casements (which the Sales Rep did not have in his possession at our home). As it turns out, the Gilkey Window showroom is right on the way to Champion, and I stopped in there FIRST.

When I mentioned to the Rep that Champion offered a big discount in return for a quick committment, he said ".....oh, are they adding your windows to the end of a big commercial order" ??? We both got a nice laugh out of that one. He said Champion has used THAT story for years here in Cincinnati; their headquarters.

It's too bad, because.....as I said above....I feel they sell a pretty decent product: perhaps not state-of-the-art, but solid nevertheless.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

It's a shame you had such a bad experience with Schuco's dealer Sales effort.

This story is completely reversed for me. The Dealer realized that I came to THEM, understood that I already knew about their product, and therefore just hit the highlights. They responded with a competitive price right out of the gate. It was higher than the competition to be sure, but not abnormally so (only 10-15%). I don't feel that was out of line for one of the three or four best products of it's kind.

Better yet, they haven't given me even one second of pressure. They know they have competition, and simply want to do whatever they can to earn the business.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Tom (---.net132.nc.sprint-hsd.net)
Date:   

Is this the same Gene Wagstaff working at Champion of Tri-Cities (Johnson City)?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Wendi (---.dnvr.qwest.net)
Date:   

I currently have four Champion Windows in my home with 6 more ready to be installed. Part of the reason they haven't already been installed is because I'm having a real hard time with the "discount" they give. If you get a bid from Champion, insist that they leave you with an itemized list of each of the windows and the "retail" price your "discount" or sale price is taken from. I don't think they have honest advertising and question them about their sale/discount/special/retail pricing because they haven't done anything to prove to me that it's not all the same and there aren't actually ANY kind of price breaks!! The quality of product, installation and warranty is definitely there, that's not a concern as far as I can tell, just their sales/pricing tactics are very qestionable.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: wvuguy (---.cinci.rr.com)
Date:   

I personally think your perspective on Champion from an overall standpoint is quite sound.

As I stated above, I've had my own "go-arounds" with them, both good and bad. While I passed on them for this window purchase, we own a Champion slider with which we're EXTREMELY satisfied thus far.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Greg (64.238.106.---)
Date:   

I just purchased 17 windows for my home. We looked at several places. We had Dixie Homecrafters and Champion quote thier premium windows. I thnk the triple pane window was a good window, but champion's dual window was by far the best value. (more bang for the buck)

They played a little bit of a pricing game, but I expected that. After everything was done the contract averaged $470 a window. I think that was a very fair price for a installed premium window.

What does everyone else think?




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Sean (---.mad.wi.charter.com)
Date:   

We've had Sears, Schuco and Champion sales reps in our home in the past week. The Sears Weatherbeater rep wouldn't even measure the windows once I told him I had other bidders.

The Schuco rep was very professional and did not pressure us. He's with a remodeling company, and it is obvious that they understand customer satisfaction. He spent time at the end of the meeting outlining the process pre-to-post-installation. This pre-sale step is typical of res. building companies that score high on customer satisfaction surveys (NRS, J.D. Power, Eliant, etc.). This made us feel good about working with the installer - in addition to being impressed by the Schuco product itself.

Champion's 2 glass dbl hung was inferior to Schuco's, though it is indeed solidly constructed. To wit, Champion's bid on 7 windows was 14% lower than Schuco's. However, part of the "discount" stipulated that we post Champion signage in our yard to advertise for them. Further, their rep was unconvincing when asked to comapre the Schuco TPS versus Champ. aluminum spacer, and krypton versus argon (4.1 versus 3.2 R-factor for dbl pn, dbl hng). Finally, the Champion rep overpromised installation time (half-day vs. 1.5 to 2 days est. by the Schuco rep), and was remarkably unclear about the install process.

We've decided we're willing to pay a little more for the better window.




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Greg (64.238.106.---)
Date:   

Sean, What was the average cost per window?

I didn't really get any runaround with the pricing. My saleman was very good. I had 14 windows so the cost was a big factor for me.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Sean (---.mad.wi.charter.com)
Date:   

$535/window for Schuco;

$457/window for Champion
($485/window if we don't post advertising in our yard)

warranties are very similar


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Jack (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Anyone other than Sean have experience with Schuco vinyl replacement windows? I like what I;ve heard from the rep, but quite pricey.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

Worth every dollar Jack. Try other sites as well. The Tim Johnson Replacement-window site has much to offer.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: dave (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date:   

Just curious as to where you got this info on the court settlement. According to Good Housekeeping's Web Site, Champion earned the seal on both windows and patio rooms?




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Jeff S (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Engineers sure are smart...


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Jeff S (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Don't believe the discount. It is just sales. The sign is just another drop. He has a line he can go to that won't cut his commission. It probably isn't worth much to him to sell it below that line unless it is a big sale.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Jeff S (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

Tom, are you in the tri-cities area?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Paul Novak (---.comtelweb.net)
Date:   

We are having 10 windows installed by Champion and they quoted us a price of $467.00 per window. The install will take two days. They did play the "sign today" game, but we got them to give us a 10 day cancel instead of the 3 day. I am having all my windows replaced (total of 21) and will have the other 11 done by Champion if everything goes well. I will let you know how it goes. The install is scheduled for Sept 27th. I have 17 different sizes out of the 21 windows I am having replaced. I was told that is was not a problem and no extra charge since all windows are under a certain size. All my windows will be in almond, which also will not affect the price. We just moved into our home a year ago, so the warranty really sold us.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Donna R. (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I am needing 15 replacement windows. I am giving Champion a chance to replace the first two so that I can see how they do on the installation. My price for a 48X36 window is $430 each. My discount is based on two things. One I have my vinyl siding done by them, Two, I put up the 1"x3" trim boards myself to go around each window they will then wrap upon installation. I have a story to tell about the way I have been told by their rep on how they are going to install the vinyl siding right over our existing vinyl siding, and how when I put up the trim around the window I do it right over our old existing vinyl without cutting it away. Isn't that wrong?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Fenestration Expert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   

if your rep suggested installing vinyl siding over existing vinyl siding... there is no need to go further. Find a qualified contractor.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Donna R. (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I am probably going to use craneboard vinyl siding, it has the foam backing. But now I am looking for a website to research vinyl trim window molding. I think I would like to use wood around my window for trim because I can't find vinyl that doesn't look boring or look like a tupperware product. Any suggestions?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: JD@DWS (---.bhm.bellsouth.net)
Date:   

I've read thru everyones comments on Champion Windows, And I would have to agree that their main frames are fairly solid, however their sashes are not near as strong. I Prefer Great Lakes Uniframe series windows with fiberglass sash and frame reinforcements. My clients prefer the added insulation of r-10 triple pane glass. But enough of stats because the best window in the world wont perform as expected if not installed properly, Has anyone seen some of the finished products these companies are putting out. What good is a lifetime warranty on a window if your house rots down around them. Replacement of your existing windows usualy requires custom cladding of existing exterior moldings, Most Companies simply nail up aluminum based coil and caulk the joints. Well thats your weak point, especialy since caulking is generaly the homeowners responsibility and becomes unsightly fairly quickly. My advice to any homeowners interested in purchacing new windows is to do your windows research, but time invested in actually looking at finished product and installation techniques of the companies your considering will be your best guide.
Just be prepared to to be shocked!




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: DonnaR (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I am having two replacement vinyl windows installed on Tuesday. I will be watching how they do it. What should I look for in regards to the proper installation of them?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: DonnaR (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

I had two champion windows installed Tuesday. I really do like the way they look and the way they were trimmed on the exterior. I looked at 4 different windows offered in the Tennessee area and none of them looked as good as the Champion. Only time will tell whether it was a good choice so far as true quality is concerned.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: KevinB (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

What is everyone's oppinion on CertainTeed?


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Patrick (199.97.118.---)
Date:   

We got a quote today from a local Champion rep for 10,000 after all the discounts and probably another 400 when he talks to his manager. It's nothing more than what happens when you buy a car except I can see what I buy here. Most of the 16 windows are 36 x 73, which are larger than most. We chose this route because it takes 1 to 2 days and no it isn't part of a larger order and to do it ourselves would cost half that.

That said, the biggest draw was the warranty. We could have done it ourselves, but how good would the quality be compared to a professional? They also guarantee it for life and they have been around for 50+ years. Now take Schuco....great windows but done buy a subcontractor? That means you have to hope that the subcontractor doesn't close shop. What does Schuco guarantee? The quality of the window or the quality of the window + the labor? A lot of companies guarantee their product, but not the labor. So would I have to pocket the labor cost of replacement? Champion knows their product, so wouldn't they do a better job than ABC Company installing Schuco windows? Add that Schuco is more expensive and that's why I chose Champion.

BTW....we had a price and they were $2K less and they never knew our price. Who cares about a sign....I had sod put in 2 years ago and the company staked one of those in our yard at no discount!!

Patrick




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Patrick (199.97.118.---)
Date:   

I read a bit more on Schuco and it appears they do guarantee their work if you go thru their distributors, so it's all dependant on which way you prefer. My wife said under no circumstances would we pay more than the quote we got from Champion. If so, she'd do the windows herself:P Which means, I get dragged into a job that would take months to finish:-)

Compared to the single-paned wood windows we now have that leak everytime it rains, Champion is the way to go. We could order the windows from Schuco and do it ourselves, but it would be a hassle if we measured wrong or needed a replacement if something went wrong. Then the warranty is void also. Lastly, there isn't a local Schuco distributor here in Alabama.

In short, if you are lucky enough to get both, then you have more choices. For us, the choice to go with Champion is the best.

Patrick

I also did


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Josie (---.bgk.bellsouth.net)
Date:   

I, too, had a rep come to push the Schuco windows. The company was advertising on the television and had some "win a house full of windows free" promo going. Their quotes are extremely high and the rep was pushy & snotty. I refused their first quote of $17,000 for 13 windows! I escorted the rep out of the house while telling him he'd lost his mind! They sent another rep out a week later and they dropped the price to $10,000. I told them right there that it just went to prove that they tried to rip me off the first time around and I wasn't going to deal with them. They had the oportunity to give me their best deal the first time. The rep left acting very high and mighty like I had no idea what I was doing and that he was better than me.

I have since gotten a quote from Sears and believe I'll be going with them. Any advise about them before I sign the dotted line?




 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Art (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date:   

Josie -

For what it's worth, I worked for Sears for a few months earlier this year. The windows Sears uses are made by Simonton and are a good mid to high mid-range window. But they are EXPENSIVE for what you get. If you're happy with what the Sears rep showed you I'd suggest that you contact a dealer that deals directly with Simonton - unless you like spending a lot more $$ than what you need to.

On another note, it's a shame that the Schuco dealer you saw wasn't forthright. In my case I used a Schuco dealer of integrity and got Schucos' for approximately 50% of what Sears would have charged me (I'm no longer employed by them and can't use the HUGE SHIP discount).


 

 patrick should have called window world

Author: handyman81961 (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

You spent 6,000 to much if you already signed the contract. window world would have done the job for 4,400. with an excellent window. I know their add says 190.00 but with extras they usually come in around 275.00 each. Their product is excellent.


 

 call window world

Author: handyman81961 (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   

They are both stealing from you call window world. Go to www.windowworld.com for a dealer near you.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: left the bad applaes (---.nrockv01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   

The way people describe thier Schuco reps, reminds me of a company that I used to work for called "HomeStar" (sold windows and siding). What a bunch of crooks... they had a zillion price drops (at different points in the pitch) and several other scam techniques. I was also "escorted" out of a few homes. Since I am not "ethically challenged" I didnt last there long. I just did a Google search and couldnt fine them so I assume they are probably out of business by now (this was the early 90's).

Cheeers!


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   


If you are going to make window price comparisons Handyman, please compare apples to apples. Comparing the price of a Window World window to a Schuco is like comparing a Mercedes to a Dodge Neon.
The Schuco is designed to last generations, compared to the excaliber, which is designed to get you to the next decade. I have the excaliber (the window he is speaking of), as well as over 15 other brands. I also have many brands available that I can easily compete with or beat WW with in price. But why?
None of them compare to the Schuco in fit & finish, the great features, or most importantlyin my opinion, the longevity.
It's the only window I feel confident in to give a lifetime labor warranty on. The rest of the brands I won't go over 5 years. It's just that good.


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Edie Brigden (---.rev.o1.com)
Date:   


I sent you a message but there is no answer, please answer me.
Thanks
Edie


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Edie Brigden (---.rev.o1.com)
Date:   

I sent you a message but there is no answer, please answer me.
Thanks
eMy windows are Certainteed


 

 Re: Champion Windows

Author: Window4U (IL) (---.client.insightBB.com)
Date:   

Who, me? If so, email me at window4u@spymac.com My other email address is messed up.


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